2nd shape advise : beachbreak round quad? Diamond?

General Discussion
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Hello to u all…

 

after a satisfying first shaped board : http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/help-needed-first-shape-attempt?page=1 , had a blast this summer with this thing. but summer is well over now and i am ready for another “adventure”.

Last time i got in the water with this, the waves were about chest high and not really clean, and i had some problems controlling it. Sometimes when i got out of the bottom turn the board just went flying over, leaving my ass behing haha.

So i am in need of a winter board now. Because of work i can only surf on weekends , so … i want to keep a thick board for not paddling a lot. I guess i’ll keep the rocker of first one, it has an easy entry on the wave, in fact had some jealous comments on one day that shortboard people were struggling and i was catching all i wanted :slight_smile: ( it was under chest high, bit hollow ). 

Here i surf beach break mostly, a bit fast and closeout sometimes, rarely point break. 

For getting more control on this board i was thinking of a type-fish board with round tail , closing the tail and nose a bit and using a quad configuration. Am i thinking wrong? 

Being able to rider head high waves with some confidence , drawing large curves ( cutbacks) is my goal.

Something on the lines of this? 

http://www.mandalacustomshapes.com/round_pin_quads.shtml#

this seems like a fun board too :

http://www.hobie.com/surfboards/board_detail.aspx?BoardId=63&col=3

or this :

http://www.iconsofsurf.com/products/details.php?ssid=74u60s83o12q83d16yd4Lu@@23y1@842&id_key=&product_id=912

 

So brainstorm away… advise me, shoot some experiences and examples… i am doing this for me and for the fun i had when riding my first one and also for the learning :). Thanks in advance!

 

 

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A roundtail quad is a good choice. The fish came out nice, you should learn even more on this one.

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round tail quads are for additional pivot mostly, they allow the board to turn up and down with less projection, where as the diamond takes away some rail length which allows tighter turning when on rail, both have advantages but not sure what type of performance you are after...if you want to go faster to make more sections in the closeouts, go for a planshape to give you the speed, drive and down the line projection to do that, or if you want a board that you can get turns in off or before the closeout, then adjust the design to do that, get a clear plan of what you want from the board, then design every element around achieving that, not just a bit like the other one with a little change...sure the other one is sweet but gotta keep the goal of how the newy is wanted to ride in ya mind, especially at the start when designing it IMHO...best of luck mate.....Quads are great, just get them right, placement and templates vary alot...if ya want any of my opinions, glad to help, just PM..if not, just tell me to get stuffed ha ha ha.....

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thanks for the kind words!

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well… keep it simple is my goal :)… i feel that the first board is good for the goal i had in mind… but now i wish i had the same ( or almost the same ) speed drive projection… but with a bit more control because waves are bigger… bottom line… before i couldn’t generate enough speed, now with this board i have the speed but when doing some turns it just slips under me… i guess to much speed? :smiley: … or maybe , and i vote for this, it’s me who can’t dominate the board… haha… so… hence… wanting something with more control… 

 

thanks for your reply

 

 

 

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Hey!

seems as if you want toshape a similar board like me. I hope it's ok to post my thread here, because i pretty much have similar questions.

http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/comment-my-shape-please

thanks and cheers,

satch

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hey satch… from germany? I’m from Portugal!

 

Saw your thread… in fact i wasn’t looking for that kind of design …longer and narrower… but yours looks cool if that is what u are looking for.

 

 

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Cool!

I'm just back from a surf trip to Portugal. Had some great waves. Best session of my life at slightly oh Ribeira. Unfortunately I snapped my board at Consolacao the day that the Rip Curl Pro was really firing. So afterwards I could only watch the pros getting beaten.

That's why I need my new board. Ok. Should have said that s supposed for OH waves too. But I'm not too comfortable when it gets too big. 

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I’m tempted to say go with a diamond or bat tail, with a quad setup over a round tail. The straighter outline through the tail will help generate more speed, and the shortened rail line will loosen it up a touch for big, open turns. Since you didn’t mention your height/weight, I don’t know what kind of length to suggest, but a rocker of N4" and T2" I think will work well as a compromise of easy entry and the kind of performance you’re looking for. With that rocker, shallow single to double with a quad setup.

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178cm, 83kg… regular swimmer… the fish is a 5’8" and before i used to ride a 6’1" shortboard…and in the thread i point there is a small video with my (small) riding skills haha

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up…

 

any other suggestions someone wants to throw ??

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was looking around and found these that i think are insteresting…

                        <h4>
                            <span id="ctl00_plcContentBody_DataList1_ctl14_ModelNameLabel">Round Tail Fish</span>

			<span id="ctl00_plcContentBody_DataList1_ctl14_ModelNameLabel1">Greg Sauritch</span>
                        </h4>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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                            <span id="ctl00_plcContentBody_DataList1_ctl22_ModelNameLabel">LM Diamond Tail Quad</span>

			<span id="ctl00_plcContentBody_DataList1_ctl22_ModelNameLabel1">Larry Mabile</span></h4>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

GRT Fish 
			<span id="ctl00_plcContentBody_DataList1_ctl21_ModelNameLabel1">Tim Griffin</span></h4>
 will try to work on a template.. but it will take me some time..more tips will be welcome :)

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was messing around with these 3D programs… came up with this… any opinions?

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Looks like a piggy good time!

Kinda flat, though…

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Wasn’t looking too much for the rocker… but you told N-4 and T-2 back of thread and it sounded good!! 

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another thing… i saw some outlines i liked on pictures… and a while ago came across a thread where someone explained how to get and outline from an image on photoshop or those vectorial applications… anyone has that bookmarked? Can’t find it anywhere :S

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Cornelyus,

That looks like a really great shape (with the 4/2 rocker). Don’t over think it. You originally posted this almost two months ago and that’s a long time to deliberate a shape. Winter will be over before you know it. Just make it.

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damn… 20 november… you are right!! time flies… got get my things together!!