A request to all those who ask questions.

A thought just came to me.  Yea I know, pretty scary, right?

Recently, I’ve noticed a lot of posts are really simple questions.  And I’m wondering, if this is a quest for knowledge, or if it is just wanting to join the party, and make your own post.  While I’m not discouraging anyone from asking questions, I have a thought.

Rather than ask something that you could probably figure out yourself, go out and try something new.  Even if it’s just new to you.  Then start a new thread on what you did, how it worked, and any advice you have to offer.  Don’t ask how to spackle, go buy some spackle and post how you did it.  Don’t ask how to polish to gloss.  Post what polishing compound worked best for you.

Now I know pretty quickly, your thread will get flamed by a handful of cranky old F#%Ks.  But maybe if the cranky among us play nice, it could be an improvement.

Look through the archives, and its full of that kind of post.  Remember the build threads, where someone did something unusual?  Haven’t seen one of those in a while.

Lol.  Where the flock have you been?   Oh !  I know.  Busy re-reading all your own threads and comments. 

I am a cranky old f##ck. Been here for nigh on 12 years or more. This place was always about questions and answers. Its focking Swaylocks man!!!

Nah Cleanlines, you’re just a big softy!

No McDing, I’ve been busy figuring out new stuff, just to piss you off   =-)

Due to the speed of technology these days, the question can be the same but the answer often changes as its a global forum.

 Plus the old threads have pics missing, the posters from back then arent expecting requests for more info and they may not be active here anymore.

 Why buy spackle and waste you time when you can get a free bollocking just for asking a simple question ?

McDing i bet a million years ago you had some questions of your own and you had no place too ask them. 

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Asking a simple question and getting an answer will probably save you a couple hundred bucks in materials. I bet that’s not how you learned to build houses or train your new guys. Asking a simple question to ‘join the party’ seems like a really odd thought. 

Hi Rooster,

Please don’t take what I said the wrong way.  I’m in no way against asking questions.  That wasn’t what I was after. 

My point was there is a ton of info available for a google search.  That can be used.  But something I really learned in house building and training LOTS of apprentices over the last thirty years is that you learn a fraction as much by being told how to do it, and you soon forget what you were told.  But when you really puzzle something over, and stretch your brain, that’s when it really sinks in.

So what I’m saying in the post is that rather ask what sandpaper schedule you shoud use, take a saturday afternoon off and play with it.  Take some cloth yourself and make a fin panel.  Pick up some paper, and work on your own technique.  Then after you played with it for a while, you’ll have figured out something on your own.  Then post up what you learned.  Use that as a springboard for discussion!

And some guys do post questions just to introduce themselves to the conversation.  Nothing wrong with that, other than it is limiting.  If you are a new member here and want to share the stoke of board building.   Make a few new friends.  That’s why we do Plaskett every year, right?  Well, if you are new here, let us know something about you.  Go make something.  Show us what you did, tell us a little about yourself.

Swaylock’s has been trashed a little lately, both here and other forums talking about us.  Some say it is bunch of grumpy old men arguing about pointless stuff.  Some say they miss the old days, when Swaylock’s was better.  I looked around the archives, and got a feel of the threads before I got here.  There was a lot more guys posting what they know, and what they were doing.  Seems like there is less of that now.

So to get the place back on track, and build the stoke, I’m suggesting that before you ask that question, be creative and try something on your own then post it.  We’ll all have a good laugh.  We’ll all say, “yea, I remember when I screwed that up too”.  And the poster of the question will have a better idea of where they went wrong or did right.

And Rooster, you lost that bet.  I learned most of what I know by doing a little reading, and then hanging out on the job site after everybody left, and trying something out.  I learned AutoCAD by buying the program, and a book and spent every night for about six months working it out.  Same with carpentry.  Pick up a router and door plane, and then on my own time, hung some doors.  Working with your hands teaches more than working with your ears.

A little long winded, but I hope that clears it up.

Ask and digest saves bucks!

Yes I would rather see questions asked----------- ahead of time.  Before a noob or beginner wastes his time and money trying to do something he has no idea of’.   I actually don’t give a $#!t how some of the know it alls around here do stuff and there’s is nothing new in most of the “new” ideas.  Hippo and ES have fragile egos.  And NO I didn’t ask questions.  I watched it being done by guys who wouldn’t show how it was done to just anybody.  The whole surfboard building routine has been exausted on this site.  From wood to Poly to EPS and beyond to a variety of unsuitable construtyion grade materials.   And  that alone is the reason guys like Mark miller Construction and college students like Hippo stay up late at night tying trying to come up with new ideas to make friends and influence people.  Lowel

http://lmgtfy.com/

 

OPS agree! Value all information given However, all should evaluate and decide for themselves and for advice given (sans to ego) is indeed rare but it’s available.

Or OMG are we back in the dark ages when knuckleheads thought everyone was “stealing their idea” when all the time Velzy had already done it!

OPS really don’t know why start this crap again, maybe CUZ nothing has changed much since quit and boy bug too much. For crying out loud mother f*@kin’ concaves and quads have been around???  Ah 2014 - 1985= 29 years! Ah 1st foam 1950 -  SB 67 = 17 years WTF !!!

Wallowing in depressing personal opinions and /or assinations of those with alternate visions will not advance the sport! 

Put it aside, In my day we could only observe, change and test also to find Dale did it first, now we have a vehicle to use our collective knowledge to go somewhere!  

So lets GO!

 

Outside!

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" Remember the build threads, where someone did something unusual? Haven’t seen one of those in a while."

 

… indeed !

 

I look forward to see what you are building , soon

 

  cheers

 

  ben

Really Mark? No time spent as the gofer, man behind shovel, move 50 sheets of gypsum board to the top of the stairs, mixing the concrete while watching the guys that know, with the skills, and taking it all in. Ask questions, get shown, until you could be trusted to make the cuts, frame it,poor the foundation, use that worm drive skil, etc?  Take that contractors test and start your own business?  You diddled away after everyone left figured all that  stuff out on your own?  No simple questions? That’s impressive. Last time I saw you, you had all your fingers, too. Mike

All I can think is that I must be really bad explaining myself.  Nobody seems to get my point.

I never said don’t ask questions.

I said go play with it before you ask.

The new guy is going to get so much more out of it if he has tried something first.

Before asking a question about sanding, go buy some sand paper and try different strokes on a block of wood/ foam.  Try holding the sandpaper with your fingers only.  Then try it wrapped around a block.

If you ask a simple question, you are going to get two responses.  The first one is going to be from some cranky F%#k, telling you what a stupid question you just asked.  And then the second answer is going to be from someone like me or maybe Huck, giving a simple answer that helps but is hardly complete.  And the original poster is going to learn a little bit.

If you ask a more complex question that shows you put some thought into it, the poster is more likely to get a more thoughtful answer.  Ask a simple question about pinlines, and you are qoing to be told the basics.  Ask a question about pinlines, with a picture of your attempt, and a specific issue that has you stuck, and you are more likely to get a response from someone like Cleanlines, with correct catalyst, cobalt resin ratios, with pictures of the pro doing it.

And if a poster goes off on a tangent like I did with rocker radii, you are going to get a thread that goes for 90 replies, and some of them from the most experienced guys that post here. http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/template-radii

And to Rooster’s question about how I learned the trades, of course I spent my time being the grunt.  And nobody teaches the grunt anything!  And I got tired of being the grunt, so I bought a skil saw.  And the only lesson I got at the beginning was how to hold it and not cut off my fingers.  Then **after **I got the hang of the tool, and I asked a carpenter how to cut a rafter, they showed me.  If I said, “hey let me cut the roof” on day one, they would have sent me back to the lumber pile to carry more studs.  But with more experience, I was able to ask more intelligent questions, that got more intelligent replies.  And then I cut rafters from the time everybody left until dark, learning the best way for me to do it.  That, and a subscription to Fine Homebuilding Magazine.  Which is kind of like using the archives here.

I’m just trying to get Swaylock’s to be a little more like it was ten years ago.  I’m hearing from the old timers that they liked it more back then.

I get paid to answer questions, simple and advanced.

I have two common categories of clients.  There are those who do it without asking and those who contact me for information first.  The former typically call after things are too screwed up to fix, and they end up losing money (sometimes a lot).  The latter ask questions and discuss first – some decide to move forward and some decide they do not have the resources or skills needed.  The success rate of the latter is significantly higher.

The government pays me, so the information is provided without charge (except an infinitesimally small pittance of the individual’s tax dollars).  I get paid the same whether they use my information or not.  My answers allow the client to make informed and independent decisions.

Information exchange, basic and advanced, is the success of Swaylocks …

The only dumb question is the one not asked.