oh to live in the US where you actually can be pro-active in technology! I have been using PU/Epoxy for 20 years and use at present FGH/epoxy imported by Burfords,I just read feral daves comments…how can we neanderthal Aussies get your new resin??? help save us from being retired to the dinosaur’s museum-would you like some-one to import your RR into OZ?one of the best things about finally coming onto swaylocks is to be able to read your…stuff…enlightning!!Do you have anybody in Europe to import your resin as I still go to France to shape! Just so I don’t feel too primitive…glassing abd this week with…liquid nano carbon tubes in epoxy of course!!! this is the technology of the future!!!
We hope this is going to begin to clean up the environmental issues in the industry and keep us from having government agencies give us ultimatums we can’t get past. Pro-active is exactly what this is about. We don’t want to be told to change and not have an alternative already in the pipeline. Most glassers are now at least familiar with epoxies and the proper use of the material is pretty well known (thanks to Sways). So now no matter what they might throw at us we’re OK to proceed with our lives.
Seabase Australia has our stuff down there and will have the new stuff in a couple months.
Greg, you know i have been in communication with you for almost 5 years trying to get some of your RR to use? i have never heard of seabase here. i did a search for seabase australia on google and found nothing on the first 3 pages… how about letting customers/dealers know? also do you have any info on the UV setting epoxy resin JS is purported to be using?
My guess is that JS is using a UV stable epoxy not a UV setting. The UV setting chemistry I know of is still way out of bounds pricewise for surfboards. For seabase Australia try the number on the website. Ben is the guy.
I’ve searched to see if there is anything on here, but when i put the words polyurethane and epoxy together all i find are the same polyester/polyurethane vs. epoxy/eps arguments…i know that it can be done, but what is the end result??
I just happened to be parked next to Randy Cone at a local surf spot and after talking to him a bit he said he only made PU / epoxy boards. He seemed pretty emphatic that he wouldn’t use EPS. His boards were really cool. I think he’s in Pacifica.
The West Island does not have it’s own branch, google seabase.eu then got to Contacts, you will see that the South Pacific Branch is in the North Island of New Zealand, in Mount Maunganui, the mysterious Ben is . If you read this Greg, give Seabase a rev up and tell them they need to build seabase.aus and a seabase.nz weblink. If Dave can’t find your product, multiply this difficulty by x and you may find that a simple marketing tweak could result in an increase in sales. PM me with my %.
MrT
“West Island is not part of NZ just yet but we are infiltrating by immigration, one day it will be ours, ours, OURS…”
I know there’s a difference between you guys and the Kiwis. Just try getting a ticket to a rugby match between the two and you know it’s equivilent to the Yankees and Red Sox in this country.
Ben is supposed to have the ball up and rolling there in Brisbane, if he doesn’t we’ll try to get some stuff down to you another way. The problem all along has been political within the surf industry. The powers that be down under have fought epoxy all along and there are entities there that don’t want this there. There are minimums when it comes to shipping and a drum and a half is the minimum. I haven’t been able to get anyone in Oz to buy that. Well, until Ben.
At this time the dollar is soooo low, the price in Aussie dollars is cheap and getting cheaper daily. There was a point in time where the US dollar was high and stuff from here was expensive, but no more. BTW, watch to see if the US fed cuts interest rates. If they do, the US dollar will tumble even further and our resins will be even cheaper internationally.
Dave, I’m sorry that you’ve waited so long. I’ve tried and our stuff has been down there for two years at Firewire. But I’ve not gotten anyone down there to jump in and I’m hoping Ben will come through. I sell all over the world and the places that are hardest are the places where business is most established. CA, HI and Aus. These places have distributors and manufacturers that are fighting change … still. And instead of just dealing with our company they feel they can do better by trying to knock us off. No one has and anyone who gets close then finds that we have already produced something superior. This has been true for many years and yet they continue to accept being poor version Johnny come latelys. I know your frustrated. Try walking in my shoes.
With this product you will be glassing with 6 ounce and it’ll weigh like 4. There is nothing in recent history that will add more value to a urethane cored product than this. It is the significant upgrade the standard of the industry so sorely needs. Better performance and durability. Lower cost, elimination of waste and VOC emissions. Safer and easier handling charateristics. It’s win, win, win for everyone.
That’s all good, Greg… and I’m glad to see you’re still on the cutting edge and doing your homework. But I’m sticking with EPS…for many reasons - durability, recycleability, health, environmental, weight…
The only reason I do any PU at all is because somebody else buys the (cheap crap) blanks for me to shape. Still, it’s good to know there will be a more suitable resin available.
I’ll certainly be using it when it becomes available. Looking forward to it…
You know, I made my mind up a long time ago on foam and I’ve been happy with EPS in my personal boards from the first day I rode my first one. But others have different opinions which is fine. The real issue now is the greenies are marching and they will march over this industry without a second thought. Another issue is value to the consumer and this we need to improve on. And lastly, costs. They continue to spiral upward and the only solution is a change in direction.
This new product provides for improvement in all three. Better boards (value), performance and durability. Environmental responsibility, compliance and worker safety (no more stinky factories). Lower costs through better managment of materials.
Glaring reality and the solutions to give us a real shot at the future.
This sounds like a dream come true for me. I have dabbled with PU and epoxy and I like the end product. Your new resin sounds fantastic!
At what point can mere mortals get their hands on some to be able to do some experimenting. I talk to Topper all the time over here on Kauai when he buys fin boxes from me and he has never mentioned this new resin.
I really would like to try some for a couple of 10’ guns that are in the works.
One question: because I do a lot of hollow balsa boards that are glassed with epoxy, will this new epoxy work on balsa, I would imagine the answer is yes?
It would be nice to have to only have one type of epoxy for both applications.
This has me really excited as it looks like I can finally start making some large guns that have the weight and strength characteristics I’m interested in achieving.
I would love to see more information, keep up the good work!