"attention aqua jet men...."

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His style is then immature, offensive and unacceptable to me. Nobody questions my credibility and honor. I take pride in the way I treat people with kindness and courtesy. He crossed the line with me and now must deal with the consequences of his own actions and words. I have no mercy for ill mannered people, he will not get a free ride at my expense.

If others accept his style, that is up to them. I certainly will not put myself in the same cowardly bully category of a human being as LeeDD, I am as far away from that as one could possibly imagine. I am uncompromising when it comes to the truth and have a firm understanding of what is good and evil in this world. I was brought up and live this way. For me it is always worth it to fight the good fight.

I have been never one to follow the crowd. Remember? I still ride the Aquajet!

An oft beaten dog accepts and expects he will get beaten at his bully of a master’s pleasure.

Thank you for trying to intervene and make peace, that is a noble and useful attribute. I think it would be best to approach LeeDD in amending his “style”.

…and all this over an ugly , hollow surfboard that is indestuctible and still performs exceptionally well?

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Great post and an entertaining story as to how varied are the ways that people come up with all sorts of ideas. Goomba must have been one heck of a hound. I cannot imagine what that board would have looked like if you had used one of those newfangled “Pooper Scoopers”.

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Mad Dog…

Welcome to the forum…

LeeDD has a style of criticism that comes on hard…

Most of us have been a target, so don’t feel alone…

Maybe I’ve missed something, but I’ve yet to see any evidence of a board produced by him…

I usally try to stay above the fray…

As was once told to me…

………never wrestle with pigs.

You get dirty and the pigs like it.

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Personal attacks should go in a personal message.

Everyone takes everyone else way too seriously.

I like LeeDDs posts, to the point.

Most of us will never know how much everyone else knows.

I know what I know and that’s what I live with, life’s too short for the bullshit.

Hey Chip, time for another pic of some bizarre fin or board, take peoples mind off things.

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True, I critized you ugly templates 2 years ago. But hey, they were ugly.

If you’re a fat chick, I’ll tell you so.

Simple, this is in internet forum for varied ideas, I’m just expressing mine.

Paul, if you want to check my credentials as a shaper and template maker, you can call Wise Surfboards and ask for the old timers.

You read my posts, do you think I know anything at all about surfboard construction?

To MadDog…nice you stand up for yourself, but this is an internet forum, and you are putting yourself out for all different ideas and answers. If you are willing to post on the internet, you are also liable to get some answers you don’t want to hear, that hit too close to home.

Most peeps are too shy and nice to call a spade a spade. Not me. If you want diplomatic answers that stroke you ego, which needs much stroking, don’t read my posts.

I"m not trying to be your girlfriend, so you’ll get only truth, without sugar coating.

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lets see, i think that if im going to get some advice on big waves ill take from some blowhard who has actually surfed big waves rather then some blowhard from the east coast. I like LeeD’s posts, and yes, some of the things he says are ridiculous and he senility is setting in in his old age i think, but i would take his word over yours any day.

6-8 feet waves arent big either, thats just good sized surf.

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LeeDD…

My first bought board was a 7’0" Wise…

Got it in '71…I was 15…

Bought it used for $150…

Boy, I saved for that thing…

Maybe you created that marvel…???..

Look familiar…???..

I had it until I got a W.A.V.E. Hollow, again from Wise…

I got most of my gear in that era from the Wise Shop on Taraval (sp?), my dad lived straight across the street…

I’d go in every chance I got…

I got my Surfer House wetsuit there too…

What a hole in the wall shop that was…

But it was real, with the wetsuit rubber smell that hit you when you walked in the door, that and the sweet styrene odor of new boards, and that candalwood wax smell…

LeeDD, you’re entitled to your opinions of my work and of others’ labors, but until I see some actual photos of your creations, my primary opinion of you is you are primarily a critic without “hands on” credibility…

Cliche #1 - “Talk is cheap”…

I’m just being fully honest, as I’m sure that’s something you can appreciate…

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True, I critized you ugly templates … But hey, they were ugly.

Get your eyes checked…

To use another cliche - “A picture is worth a thousand words”…

Here’s my essay…

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You KNOW I was commenting on the outline, the WPoint soooo far forwards, and the super pointy nose with a real straight rail behind the WPoint, don’t you?

Wise originally was at WawonaSt and LowerGreat. There, his glassers were Ralph and PeeWee, and up till '73, he was the only shaper.

I wasn’t hired till '73, with PeeWee as the only glasser.

So that board is made by the man himself, Mr.BobWise.

He moved to Vicente St., and 43rd, where he stayed till the move to foot of Balboa and GreatHighway, his current loc.

Don’t know where you got Taraval from. Doc has an apt. on the corner of T and GH, maybe that’s what you were thinking of.

How would I know? I lived at 45th and Santiago from 1957 to 1986, with a one year hiatus to Concord.

And yes, I was the original Wise crew consisting of me, RockyWhite, and RodneyRecluse. We surfed Sloat when everyone else in the city surfed NorthEnd.

As for my boards, yes, some real ugly, much uglier than you’d imagine, but those were all pre #30’s. By the time I finished #120, Bob asked me to shape for him, as did Cowboy in HalfMoonBay and Haut asked me to shape some boards down in SC.

Prolly took me all of 140 boards to smooth the outlines so everyone thought they were smooth…even the OBSD guys, and the Pearson crowd.

No credibility needed, I’m just a ghost poster!

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LeeDD

When you are out of line, exhibit bad behavior and bully people…you get will whacked by me. That is my style!

The nasty exchanges between you and I are over. In fact, if you cross the line with me or anyone else again you will once again get it. Count on me being in your face if it occurs again. It is up to you. There is a new sheriff in town!

I apologize to all the posters in this discussion group for having to see my ugly side. I would like to resume having fun and exchanging constructive ideas without personal attacks. If someone has an issue pehaps it should be kept private or better…to yourself.

Pax Dòmini sit semper vobìscum

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That, of course is your choice. (Laughing) I certainly won’t deny being a “blowhard” who likes to come up with an entertaining yarn once in a while.

Folks from the Left coast have been shortchanging wve conditions on the Right coast for decades. I have surfed both coasts and the West & North Shore on Oahu. The west coast has more consistant big stuff than the east.

When there is a tropical storm or hurricane offshore in just the right location it gets pretty good here.

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all and all this was a pretty sad thread—i clicked looking to see something re; the aqua jets and their technology which we must admit was way ahead of their time. instead I get two right / left coast wankers running off at the keyboard.

I still wonder what went down with aqua jet, i had two of them , the first a single fin gunnything 6’6" was a corky floating blob and the next a 5’10" twinfin was a wonder board. the finish on the twin fin was very cool, it was transparent and you could see the honeycomb structure very clearly. i wonder what happened to the molds and jigs and all that?

Ah well, so it goes…perhaps this thread should just die off…leaving my questions unanswered—

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LeeDD

When you are out of line, exhibit bad behavior and bully people…you get will whacked by me. That is my style!

The nasty exchanges between you and I are over. In fact, if you cross the line with me or anyone else again you will once again get it. Count on me being in your face if it occurs again. It is up to you. There is a new sheriff in town!

I apologize to all the posters in this discussion group for having to see my ugly side. I would like to resume having fun and exchanging constructive ideas without personal attacks. If someone has an issue pehaps it should be kept private or better…to yourself.

Pax Dòmini sit semper vobìscum

For the love of God, AngryPuppy, and in the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka…Lighten up, Francis!

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Pax Dòmini sit semper vobìscum

Quid vobis riisi? Iocus nunc erga te.

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Good Lord!!! I leave for one day and this thread goes to Hell in a handbasket. I have to say that it has been quite entertaining reading these posts. I just have to jump in.

MadDog- Your new here, play it cool and people will learn to accept and appreciate your posts. You deny being bothered by Lee’s posts but still had some very lengthy retorts and personal slams. This is generally not a good idea in any forum. Remember that we have moderators on this site and don’t need a new sheriff in town. :(~

Getting back to the real subject: Could you post some pics of your AquaJet? I know that there are a number of people out here that would like to see that board. I’m very interested in seeing it.

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Seen that clip many times.

It’s a joke. Cheyne is prolly one of the only surfers skilled enough to ride shorter than 8’ boards at Wiamea, and he’s just bouncing and outta control the entire drop, no bottom turn, a slight angle off, and it’s not close to set wave sizing.

Notice he didn’t even bother to try to ride another wave there.

Modern tow boards, on waves 15’ bigger than Cheyne’s, are mostly done on sub 6’ x 16" deep concave waveski boards. They work fine.

It’s the THOUGHT of paddling a 6’ board into big waves that’s the joke. Can be done, but any idiot can dodge cars on a busy freeway while skateboarding accross it too.

Why bother, you can also practice swimming with a 40 lbs lead weight, about the same sense.

Lee,

I think Cheyne Posted over on his photo thread that he actually rode a few waves on that “5’8’’ 18” tailed beast and even hit the lip on one or two. I could be mistaken, but I thought thats what he said. I have the clip and he does not seem to be totally out of control. Just careful. I do know what you mean though. Not the norm.

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If y’all want to bag on something, fine. Bagging on someone, however, is no bueno. Thank you fer yer attention…

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Not bagging on anybody, the truth is a very light and short board is not the best tool to handle big waves. Especially if it’s hollow, since hollow boards tend to float higher and it’s gonna act like a flat stone ricocheting on any ripple and going out of control. Since most big waves conditions usually include some amount of chop, riding such a board in such waves means you’re either some kind of ET (which guys like Cheyne or Kelly or a few others undoubtedly are) or you’re extremely heavy in weight (but then, how do you paddle in?)

As for myself, having shaped a few boards for fairly good-sized waves, I have come to the same conclusions every good shaper had come to before: long, narrow, bellied and with some amount of weight works good for the majority of us “normal” people…

Now, what’s called a “big wave”? Unless you’re talking hawaiian feet, 8 feet is no “big” wave, IMHO. (If you are, then it’s 25’ +, which IS big…)

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Doc, I know you and a few other people are anxious to see photos of my Aquajet. I don’t exactly carry pics around in my wallet to show off as a few of you zealots might do. That is reserved for my wife, three beautiful daughters and my Redbone Coonhound MadMax it is the “Mad One” you see at the upper lefthand corner of my posts. Truth is certainly stranger than fiction!

My board is stored down in my shack at Rexhame Beach, Marshfield MA. I am going to try and get down there over the next few days, open the place up and chase the critters out that have taken up residence over the long winter we had. I will take plenty of shots at various angles. I am even looking for photo in the archives a buddy shot of me on the Ol’ Jet on a pretty nice wall (even for New England).

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Is yours one of the rounded diamond tails, kinda block thick forward rails, the Richard Brewer foil idea?

Not at all like the pic in the first page of this thread, much shorter and blockier.

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LeeDD, I appreciate your interest. Thanks

Yours is a pretty fair description of my board, but it is a true round tail, 6 ft, 22 inch width, flat bottom, slight release “V” at the “Fins Unlimited” fin box and a radiused top deck.

When I bought the board from Jasper’s (where our bud Doc still sells Boards) there were two boards I had to choose from. I believe the other was a spear with a 19 inch width, not really suitable for the typical break I was surfing at my haunts. I decided to purchase the wider board, with my basis of choice being relative to Archimedes principal of bouyancy and my then weight of 175 lbs. Would you believe the Ol’ Jet still floats me at 225 lbs (though barely)?

When I am sitting on the board waiting for the right wave, the board is pretty well submerged. When paddling I start very early to “hole shot” it and swim like you see Johnny Weismuller in the old Tarzan flicks. I actually assist propulsion by kicking. Needless to say it is quite an intense scene of seawater being churned up. I miss more waves than I catch, but on the rare occasion I catch a good one it is well worth the effort.

Anything smaller than a steep 6 footer nearly breaking on me, I would need a tow-in to have even a remote chance of catching. I believe I made the correct decision in my choice of the two boards. At 17 years old one of my rare moments.