everyday i think you have made soe rather broad staments that do not necessarily hold water when considering all the aspects of a board. 31 wide does not turn well. An ill-conceived board of any width will not turn well.
Wide boards that work every well in fast hollow waves are Fish, and Speed egg shapes. Both are wide with a flat rocker. Those same boards also work very well on the less then steller days. In any Board it is a balance of rocker, rail and fin layout that makes a board work. I may not want a stoker V for a session at pipeline . On The other hand it might make those everyday waves a lot more fun for
has anyone ridden or considered the Proctor Monsta Chief?
http://www.proctorsurf.com/Surf-Boards/monstachief
here are 2 example dims from the website
6’6" x 21 3/4" x 3 1/4" 48.35L Rider weight: 210-240 lb / 95-109 kg
6’8" x 22" x 3 3/8" 52.88L Rider weight: 220-260 lb / 99-117 kg
When it comes to surfing a wave with an active style physical agility is a big factor. Floatation notwithstanding I think fitting the board to the rider is more about helping them to do what they are capable of doing better. So while designing a board to outperform it’s rider has it’s merits on the basis of giving them room to progress I also think there’s a distinct point of diminishing returns.
the Stoker reminds me of Parmeter’s Stubb-Vector from the 1990’s or the Patagonia Rocket Sled designs both of which I rode in th early 2000’s
Good all around travel boards just not something you’d want to ride at northshore or bowls.
I currently have a Chronic Bully which is a similar idea to the Procter Monsta it’s 6’4" x 23" x 3 1/4" all the way to the rail. basically a high performance rocker/bottom and outline scaled for someone 190-220. I have some lineup friends riding a 6’6" and 6’8" version who weigh 230-250 and love them. Previously they were all riding 8’-9’ scaled up big boy boards the smallest I’ve seen them beable to go was 7’6" of 7" but now they are talking about getting down to 6’4"-6’6"… Going way wider really allows you to take the length down to make thinks more manageable. Squaring off the pointed nose and widening out the tail with quads and deep spiral vee double concaves in the tail keeps the manuverability factor in play, And with all that weight the tail width isn’t as much of a problem where as wide and thin some times can cause problems going rail to rail. Take alook at Ben Aipa’s boards they ar all super wide and thick but will a break in the rail line to keep things loose.
http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/spo/4158335157.html
Dimensions: 7’4-1/2" x 23-1/3" x 3-15/16"
DIMENSIONS
Height: 9’2"
Nose: 18 182"
Width: 23 1/2"
Tail: 14 3/8"
Thickness: 4"
My new Backdoor Kauai plaything (love it)
6'6" x 23" x 3" (left)
I’m becoming a fan of the short and chunky just as long as the rest of the parts of the design keep the board moving forward versus bobbing up and down like a cork.
BTW
I just picked up one of UncleD’s old favorite boards shaped for him by Chuck Andrus and he has the big guy (250lb+) board thing wired.
Mahalo Dennis (the local Swaylocks crew at Pu’uena many moons ago even Jim and Roger showed up)
A few of my buddies rip on the Chronic Bully Board: Check them out at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyDFQ5oPtlM.
Aloha D
one thing I think about when seeing the recommended dims for weight is I want to go a little bigger. I add in the age factor. At 56 I’m just gonna get slower, stiffer and older.
The 6’4" x 23" x 3 1/4" scaled for someone 190-220 fits me at 185. But if I can sink the rail on a longboard I should be able to go the 6’8" x 22" x 3 3/8" Rider weight: 220-260 lb
I’m 56 and in shite condition but in the local N County conditions I think packing on too much length or volume gets to be counterproductive. I had a 7-0 x 22 x 2.75 singlefin stubbie and I just finished a 7-8 x 22 x 3" midlength for use as a longoard substitute. It does that, but in chest high and above conditions the length and additional 15% in volume don’t have a significant return in terms of wavecount (if that’s your measure). It obviously makes more difference in smaller/weaker conditions, which is what I built that board for. So I think having enough board for what you’re trying to do is important but its also important to avoid overreacting on that. Call me crazy, but I like to be able to duckdive my way out and not rely solely on paddlespeed.
I don’t think you were too “hesitant” … I mean much past your first sentence, but I’ve always maintained in my own posts that opinions are like assholes… everyone has one.
As far as the claims, yes, there are a lot of them backed by dozens of thank you emails, and websites talking positively about the boards. People have asked me to describe them in one word and I replied “utility”. A lot of people evidently feel that is understated. However, people are different and the Stoker ride I make may not be your cup of tea. Being a hater or feeling you need to be au contraire for the “sake of balance” is fine if you want to go there. I just don’t see the evidence that you are claiming. I make lots of different rides other than Stoker V Machines, as evidenced on my personal FB page because one model of surfboard all the time gets boring… at least for me. That’s one of the main reasons I developed spinoffs from the SVM’s too.
Let’s just agree to disagree with your assessment. Oh, and as far as Parmenter’s “Stubb Vector” as mentioned on another post… I’ve never even seen one, and let’s keep in mind that very few things in this world are “for the first time”.
As far as the comment about “weak paddler…just wanting to cruise in a straight line…” check out this link of Shawn, a strong paddler that doesn’t just wanna cruise in a straight line… he’s on a 5’10" with the black deck arch, 2nd or 3rd time he has ever been on the board, an off the rack I threw to him. I told him a moredialed 5’4" or 5’5" would be his ticket…
http://www.photos805.com/Daily-Session/October-22nd-2013/32990356_2SLhxr#!i=2859265450&k=ZtvSqDF
Hi Artz,
I didn’t mean to trash the board, and I don’t think I did.In fact, I think I gave it a pretty fair evaluation. What I said still stands. For any given surfer, on any given day, a Stroker V will catch waves easier, but track more and turn less nimbly than many other shapes.
And yes, Deadshaper, your photos show some pretty nice moves, and I didn’t say it couldn’t be done. But I’ll bet that that same surfer would have a harder time catching waves on a more “conventional” high performance surfboard, but once he caught the wave, he would be more agile. Unless of course, his goal was to catch mushy waves, and kind of go straight. In that case, the Stroker V might be the best board around. Oh, and my hesitancy was in deciding to reply at all.
I am always really sorry when I read a thread that goes from peoples opinions to people getting all pissy - grow up please. I don’t like your boards and Joe X does… GREAT! I like boards by Mr. Othershaper and Joe Q hates them… FINE! The pissing contest, hurt feelings, defensiveness, and marketing, through what is supposed to be a free, open, and constructive public forum is offensive. GET OVER IT.
This is actually the answer to the question at hand as well - TO WIT: Until you yourself know what you like and do not like re: width, rocker, thickness, rails, fins, blah blah BLAH you can’t expect any shaper to save you with his magic formula that will ‘automatically’ be the board that solves all your ‘issues’ whatever they may be. For instance: you may learn through particpating in a constructive process, that you can handle wide, you like the way V helps, and want to go shorter, but you hate boards that feel too flat… GREAT! There is a direction that no ‘brilliant big guy shortie’ is going to magically address. How do you feel about smaller fins? Faster and looser or slippy and unstable? You can use that to contribute to a big boy shortboard that works for you. Piece by piece you CAN figure it out.
Back to the offensive part of the ‘discussion’ - when one shape / design / shapers approach / width / length / rocker BLAH BLAH BLAH is criticized that means one and ONLY ONE THING - this is what works / does not work for THIS ONE RIDER. Until you know what works for you, you may be hating a perfectly great board because it is not right for your preferences, and in this respect I DO AGREE with a shaper who feels slighted.
One example: I absolutely HATE boards that are flat feeling, I like a lot of rocker, much more than the ‘standard guy’ likes. If I was to ride a flat board I would HATE it - however, if was was to criticize this board as being somehow inferior… WELL, it is not inferior, just unsuitable for me. That is all. This applies to all aspects of board design. If you want a big guy shortboard you had better damn well start riding some boards and doing a scholarly assesment so you can GET A CLUE - the interwebs are never going to pick the right one for you. Ride one, know its design IN DETAIL and then assess, then ride another. You will figure out what you like.
GET A SHAPER WHO WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THESE THINGS AND YOU WILL FIGURE IT OUT TOGETHER. A GOOD SHAPER WHO CARES, PAYS ATTENTION, AND HAS THE SKILL, WILL GET YOU THERE FASTER. GET A BOARD BECAUSE SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET TOLD YOU THAT IT WOULD SOLVE ALL YOUR PROBLEMS AND BE YET ANOTHER FLOUNDERING MAGGOT IN THE SHOREBREAK.
funny, I was just working on my new model.
and you have given me the name,thanks.
The Floundering Maggot Model
will be availiable in two sizes,
Too small and Too big
this will insure selling two
boards to each prospective
New Surfer with an attitude.
New surfers are the future of the sport
we should watch for them at obvious
spots on coastlines everywhere .
Gathering surfers will attract them
and before long they will be so comfortable
in their own skins… enough to speak out.
Best to slowly turn and walk away
because before long they will have a trail of clones
parroting self esteem induced stupidity.
To get into fine points that go well over the heads
of anyone who hasn’t surfed progressively
for thirty or fourty years
and seen the cycle go around
at least twice… progression leads back
to the source which is :
Go surf to be
one with fun.
To those who wish to bring
understanding,aka
‘religion to the heathen’, be prepared to
be soiled by emotional sputtering spittle.
I personally dont like the guys that wore
the jacobs team jackets
because they burned me for a
couple waves at pitas point in 1965
or was that 1964.
I got over having to find fault
with other people’s boards
when i realized all boards
were flawed from a given perspective.
The Floundering Faggot Model
aka FMM 27.5
will be availiable soon
look for it to be plagerized
world wide after being released
like a microbial pathogen
from an annonymus factory
in the third world by a guy with
hair implants , a pocket protecter,
novel facial hair and a trophy wife.
… ambrose …
how can one guy be so right all the time?
Spinach,never eat it.
OBKali,
I couldn’t agree more.
Some of the guys like Oneula, have thrown in some really neat options for the original poster to consider which way other guys have gone with similar considerations as his. Having a choice and hearing what people have to say or show is helpful. No one surfboard fits all… or as I have reminded a few of my friends “ONE MAN’S MAGIC IS ANOTHER MAN’S POISON”.
In that reality as someone shaping surfboards for 45 years… ALL KINDS of surfboards, when you hit on something that resonates with a lot of people, you consider yourself fortunate, if not blessed. But if you are in the business you also bear the responsibility (at least I do) to help people determine IF a certain model of board is right FOR THEM based upon their individual circumstances.
In some ways, it seems as though Sway’s is more predisposed to people "getting pissy"because unlike “Surfer” or “Jamz” or “Reddit” or some of the other forums I’ve read comments about “SVM’s” , on this forum more guys build their own boards. There are also industry lurkers and people that just like to stir the pot, as well as guys that wish they could be in the industry but would never give up the secure job they have. And, of course, there are a lot of benign hobbyists looking for tips and inspiration to building their own or for a family member.
Part of ‘my job’ is to answer people’s inquiries about whether a certain board I make, including Stoker V Machines, may be right for them or not. A good portion of my ‘out of the shaping room’ time is spent in answering questions and helping guide people in making the best decision for them versus hawking a surfboard to every Tom, Dick & Harry.
How many guys on Sways have taken the time or expense to post HOW THEIR BOARDS WORK with the extent of fotos I have so people from all over the world could SEE if they even want to consider one?
Isn’t one picture worth a thousand words?
I also have a personal guarantee that I have offered since the 80’s, promising customers that, if, for any reason, they get on a board I make them, and it doesn’t feel right for them, I will gladly take it back if in new conditon and make them something they will truly be stoked with.
That guarantee has served me very well for over 30 years.
In addition, it should be helpful for people to consider who talks the talk and walks the walk.
How many of the guys on Sway’s that have bad rapped or been skeptical of a design actually ridden the design they decide to criticize?
Everysurfer has been a member of Sways for about as long as I have (2008) and I don’t recall seeing pictures of his boards or guys riding them depicting how they work, yet he is certainly entitled to tell it the way he sees it. I guess we are different, because, at least to me, the stuff Shawn is doing on a stock, off the shelf board I threw him he seems to be executing a pretty high level of performance for his 2nd or 3rd go out on it. I told him a couple days ago, I thought he looked great on it but it definitely looks big on him… that board is 5’10"x20-3/4"x2-9/16" and I could easily see him on a 5’4" with what I call Winter Foil. However, the purpose for him to ride the board is that he tests surfboards for a column he writes having ridden over 300 boards and has worked with shapers of all genres. It’s interesting to note, that once I gave him the board, it got FLAT as a lake for several weeks here in Cali… during that time he told me “just by looking at the board, I can already tell you it will be in my top five ever”.
What a neat vote of confidence. But he still has to PROVE it.
At the end of the day, it’s really about trying stuff, talking with other people, including shapers, and TRYING different boards. This is a primary reason I made a load of demos available thru Mollusk In Venice and to a lesser degree, Wave Front in Ventura, as well as Main Beach in Wainscott NY, and thru my east coast guy, Danny, in Montauk.
Bottom line: try it, you might like it… if you don’t, go on to the next one.
.keyboard malfunction.
Not eating spinach is probably why I’m asking for big boy board advice lol.
So I went up to Haleiwa on my lunch break yesterday and browsed the shops. Talking for a long time with one of the most knowledgeable people about surf boards I have ever met about what I’m looking for he recommended a Bully. There were a few in the shop and after getting my hands physically on one I’m definitely going to go in that direction. It should be a good compliment to my 9’2. Thanks for the recs everybody!!
If you get a stock Bully, they are pretty inexpensive. You should be able to get one under $500. Perhaps a custom under $800.
hahahaha everyone knows the shorebreak is where the real fun is at you just have to watch the grins on your kids faces.
bigger sim maybe? the short lengthwith max volume lets you do things you just can’t do on a normal board
Shorter, wider, longer, thinner, flatter, curvier, makes no matter,
just ride the board(s) that put the most grins on your face.
It’s why we do this, remember?
$370 new off the rack no fins
by appointment only
3-4 futures setup polyester
i had to wait in line behind three others buying them as well
most were older guys or big guys 250+
the older guys told me he gave up longboarding after getting one to surf town
Here is my first board for 2014 that I made for myself. The blank is the 9-3AX -2"N last 24". the dimensions are 9’x25" x 3.8". I get to test ride it tomorrow.
Very nice UncleD!