Bob Mctavish on Displacement Hulls

Watched the video “one California day” Jimmy’s got talent! What a flash back, He is riding the hull correctly and “knows his weapon” and as for me, saw nothing of him struggling to keep up, rather just keeping the hull in the pocket. I’ll be truthful and admit cutting back is not a strong point, however Jimmy figured that out maybe from viewing some old timers, quite a rush to see that.

Further the “down the line” is what they are about. Can’t help myself, here are some vintage 69 pix of the GL I had at that time.

Aloha.


This is a test of a Greg Griffin photobucket picture…

This line was especially ironic … 

I am now seeing feedback, particularly on the Swaylocks forum website (http://swaylocks.com) of disgruntled surfers who have tried some versions of these designs and do not like the ride.

You don’t have to like McTavish to appreciate the fact that his contribution to surfing and surfboard design over the yrears has been of major proportions.  I heard one of Al’s “ghost shapers” make a comment about Gene Cooper’s knife rails not being functional a few years back.  But;  Alot of people love Those CooperFish knife rails.  Love or hate?  I’ve ridden them and can make 'em work well.  Just not what I prefer.  And;   Certainly not for everybody.  PS  Watched the video.  Slow dog.  The only place I could really see him struggling was when he attempted to climb up the face.  He was trying but the board just wouldn’t do it.

 

" Knife Rails" were one of the improvements in longboards starting with all the various speed shape models .

Semi planing shape when on edge instead of a beach ball shape .  :slight_smile:

LOL Huck!

My comment #6 “My 2cents. Having ridden the old hulls (GL) and Bing foils in the day, all this Oldphrat knows, they can be hell, and not many knew their weapon well. Still can pick out the better hull rippers (us’ ta be I knew em)" 

What was going on in my feeble old mind was surfing Pitas along with over one hundred others, maybe two guys are riding hulls, one guy well and the other chose poorly. Should a mentioned that ‘haven’t ridden a one (hull) in over 44 years. Being that Nat showed up at Malibu during a large 3 day swell with the Keyo some of us (especially Greg) took notice. Remember what we were riding, me a Wilken, Marty Sugarman “Meth II” and mind you a good board in fact rode epic Rincon on it. It wasn’t till later that I started with Greg’s boards, that was a blast!

As we now know now the “hull” is not for everyone, me too. Liddle shaped me a lot of boards and having known Greg from before he even started shaping his own. It’s hard to take the negatives but the truth is (to me anyway) Hulls have a place in surfing and its history. And again moving on by 71 ‘was into the downrailer and Greg shaped me five boards to test. The last 2 (first foam tints via Andy Davis) was what I took to Hawaii. Kind of 180 from what you would expect.

Much respect Huck and the rest!

Aloha. 


This is Roger Adams on his first Aqua Jet .

 

It was molded off a 1968 7’2" Weber Strato Series board .

These boards would be called Hulls today with up rails going to down in the tail with an S shaped deck .

Again notice how it surfs more verticle and less resricting than current Hulls in fashion . :slight_smile:

 

 

Cover shot after this bottom turn

 

 

Now its working :slight_smile:

 

Doing the same :-)  yay

Aloha Greg,

LMAO! Just so happens that issue of surfer was the review for this mornings, no worries it was short. A couple of things;

Other than a few words A great local was passed over.

Love the beaver tail! Ha.

In that issue is the first “body Glove Legs” ad yeah I know Oniell had em first. HA

It was not long before we had beavertails over our legs!!! Double HA

Really wowed by the photo’s THANKZ!

Aloha

 

This is myself on a  7’3" x 20" Diamond tail I made.

It would be called a hull today :slight_smile:

Purple bottom with Lime green acid splash

Lime green deck  :slight_smile:

Very important !

I was in oz late 1967 , The aussies just beat the Americans at Longreef .

Gordon Woods had a new 7’11" model

stringerless step deck with very long fin , most boards there were still longboards .

 

I had a great time .

**the board being refered to evolved from platt   not bob not nat  PLATT **

knowledge from a gromet stargazing  around a surf shop can be taken with a grain off salt?

as for being in aus in 67.

yes well so where many others  midget holds the key to all this  and his story has been shockingly screwed around

i know the sunshine coast story as i was there the whole time from early 60 to the turn of the century  and in 67 at 27 yrs of age  no drugs . i am certain of what went on

it starts here no where else

and to add to that i have no barrow to push unlike others?      **these threads degenerate into the same shit everytime   **

everything i see is coming from magazines or film clips by the time anything arrived at the bookstand .     the crew had moved on

 

 

 

My posts here are about the fun in all this with some thoughtfull questions .

 

No claims .

 

Midget like so many others were overshadowed by those chosen by the media .

 

A negative in surfing and will only irrtate ourselves who were witnesses .

no its not just about fun

**  it is clearly more distortion of the facts **

 

cheers huie

Saying Gordon Woods had a model called the 7  11  ?

dont know about gordon woods  i worked at the far north thats midgets teritory will ask him?

i am saying that the  keith paul bing is a rip off off the platt design about a year behind .

Okay

What were the good moments back then ?

 

Midget pretty much outsurfs everyone in those videos of that time period and that Gordon Woods being stringerless I am sure came from his riding  them so well .

Appreciate all the photos and comments - it’s a good subject for the curious like myself. Never really followed the media version or any version of surf history, and only truly became interested in surfboard design in any depth once I started making my own.

barry - when you say hull-ish, what specific design features are you talking about?  

I have a couple boards I really like riding, and I feel that they owe something to the “hull” shape, although they are not really hulls at all.

One is a square tail longboard with pinched rails, not pinched a lot, not knifey, but pinched to thin them out, the rails roll up starting about 3" from the edge.  The rails on this board are soft all the way around, even in the tail.

The other is a kind of a mini-glider, 8’4" rounded pintail, with much more pinched rails, not knifey, but like the small end of an egg, and a real belly or roll in the bottom of the nose, not unlike Huie’s picture of the yellow hull, just not that extreme.  The rails in the tail of this one are hard down, like most boards today.  Both boards are single fins, and have V out the tail.

The mini glider with the pinched rails, really holds in the wave face when it speeds up, I attribute that to the convex created by rolling the rails up - not exactly a round belly, but definitely a convex bottom.  Not sure how the belly in the nose affects the ride, but the board is a surprisingly good noserider in trim, kinda the opposite of what I expected, since a lot of noseriders use a concave up front.

So, while the true “hull” still seems like an acquired taste, it seems there are useful design features that come from the hull.

Huck,

With what you described, did you notice any tendency to want to climb once in trim?

Aloha.