I just wrote you a whole long winded reply about vac. bagging and sealing cores… I was almost finished typing and I hit the wrong button on the key board and it disappeared, lol!!!
Oh well … I gotta run, so I can’t re- type it now (at my 5 words a minute pace
Send me a P.M. if you wanna know more about vac bagging, I’ve been doing it since 1986 so I’ve learned most of the pit-falls…
Number 1 PRIORITY is :
Buy 2, yes 2 cheap Home depot smoke alarms, and place them on the ceiling close to that " older than you" pump… There are 2 different types of smoke alarms that “see” different aspects in the smoke… Buy both… And also buy a 5 lb. to 10 lb. fire extinguisher and place it in or just outside of the room close to the entrance…
I can tell you more about sealing, bagging materials and their cost later, as I’m outa" time…
Ghettorat, you’re a dick. As long as you know your stuff, that’s fine. I always say I’d rather deal with total assholes who do perfect work instead of awesome “bros” who screw up constantly. “Sorry bro!” But if in the end it turns out that you’re just another industry blowhard that feels underappreciated, with nothing to back it up… I’m going to be severely disappointed. -Carl
I've used UV over EPS foam for ding repair many, many times. I figured it out on my own. A well known Ding Repair Maestro on Maui's North shore has done ding repair on Surftechs etc. this way for years. And no; I'm not going to drop his name or give you the details because he wouldn't appreciate it if people knew why he's able to turn around a repair so fast.
is there any problem's with vac bagging polyester resin whilst it's wet and going off?
i read somewhere it could be ? i suppose most people are using epoxy?
also what's good for wrapping over the wet rail's when your bagging?
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So.....did you try the search function? The blank white box at the top of the page???????
Some good key words....Vac Bag, Bert Burger, Compsand, Timberflex, WMD,.........
I'm fixing a major F' up on an EPS core/wood skin project....The guy has the right vac pump and the right resin and the right veneer....everything went hay wire.....so many things can go wrong. So many things went wrong.
I got lucky and scored the right equipment at the right time...I have the skills. A very slight step in the wrong direction makes major problems..........Slow down....learn to hand laminate with epoxy first. What I've read so far from JB tells me that JB is not ready for vac bag.......Feel free to prove me wrong.....
Clamps and bags and pumps and wood and overlaps and all kinds of shit not doing what you want it to do......
Veneer over EPS looks awesome and people rave about how RAD it works.....Lots of extra work for the builder/glasser.............
And...if you do bag with polyester......please note your volume of resin and amount of cat and room temp and cure time and board size....post it to this thread..........
I don’t care what you think Carlito, and I am not “another industry blowhard who feels unappreciated”. Funny thing is, someone pm’ed me and told me your a hack who feels unappreciated. Why is there so much tension between guys who want to share real good information without drawing attention, and those like yourself just here to self promote? If I was doing a psychological survey, the self-promoters are the dicks with the big egos. I am not here to self promote, but to help. You have to admit some of this crap, the gr stirs up is hilarious. My greatest hope is that someone, just someone laughs so hard at one of my posts, that they spew their coffee right out of their nose, because Mcding has played that trick on me a few times. Now go get some coffee.
Rat, in the spirit of sharing information, here’s a couple of my build threads http://www2.swaylocks.com/node/1020900 and http://www2.swaylocks.com/node/1019165. On the topic of SUPs, here’s a 18’ Sup cat I “hacked” out by hand in '08. There are those who seem to be all talk, and then there are the ones that choose to walk. The best you can do is an attack on my ego? let’s see what you can do with your hands, I’m starting to think you’re all talk. -Carl
Definitely not something I would build but I appreciate the effort. Did you bag it with the 249 in the second picture, over a polyurethane foam? And if so why? And how does it work? Weird how you come at me from nowhere, call me a dick, and now say I am attacking you, just so you can show me how great you are. That’s what the guy who knows you, said about you in the pm, he also said you don’t like to be wrong. So post up and show us how great you are, I am not that great, and most definitely would disappoint you by how not great I think I am; I have definitely heard it from people I respect way more than you. Still I have absolutely no doubt that my skils are polished and acute, when it comes to building boards; I can’t just be making all this stuff up can I?
Rat, I read this forum every day, since near the very beginning. It’s probably just me, but sometimes you seem a bit too abrasive towards others on this forum. I’m just calling it the way I see it. Something to think about… or maybe not. To each his own, I’m dropping it. Still haven’t seen any pictures of your work though. -C
Carl, first I am not that skilled as to post up pics on the internet, and second if I did, a lot of people would know who I am, and as I said, and they would reiterate, I am not that great. As far as being abrasive, well, I am guilty, but I call it as I see it, and sometimes that hurts people’s feelings. I bet you’ve had your feelings hurt plenty of times working in glass shops, or even talking to your customers, or friends; I have. Nothing worse than something going wrong; why I just brought up the stringer, on an opaque, near the nose, wouldn’t be as bad, if it wasn’t a dark cedar stringer, hell its hardly noticeable, and a quick 4oz patch, and nobody will know, but me, and I am pissed off it happened.
Making surfboards is sometimes a comedy of errors, mistakes, and coverups, and as hard as I try I still mess up. But at the end of the day I know what perfection is, and I am still not there yet, and I suspect neither are you. Just because I was taught by the best, doesn’t mean I think I am the best.
What you’ve written above is no doubt a true self evaluation of who you are… You are becoming a humble person, congrats… I’m also changing my attitude to reflect the same… … We can all learn from this shit!
Let’s get over this animosity … Everyone… Please… And show off more … “board porn” !!!
Ding repair, air brush and glassing. That's all I ever wanted from Swaylock's.com.
Because I connected with some really good people here I'm vac bagging skins. Not my first choice, not my bag, not my pump. Surfboards have complex curves. Wood veneer will bend to simple curves without too many problems. If you keep your veneer 1/2" to 3/4" away from the rail you should get good results. You can air brush the rails to look like wood. I vac bag one side at a time. After that it's all done by hand. Lot's of Sway's guys vac bagging wet lams.....not for me.
If you don't know basic ding repair and glassing how are you going to fix 13 unexpected bubbles in the vac bagged skin.........That's why the current project is in my workshop not in my budy's shop where the bubbles happened.....I fix things....
Just let the guy vac bag poly 249, I want to see the train wreck. And i don't want to see it with any fancy UV cure mombo jumbo. I want to see it eat through the cheep Home depot 1 MM bag. And I want to see how it sticks to the bag into one big fricking mess. Could you imagine the resin creases, proud skin rails, tape suck unders, etc. Poly is so...so....Final when it kicks. I would imagine that the after prep work might take days to fix all the woops.
Please, please....please don't tell him the wonderful properties of epoxy. And above all please don't tell him that epoxy can be mailed to him no matter where he lives......they will mail it to him even if he lives under a rock.
But I know, when we want to make da surfamabords, we want dem right now. give me my surfamabord!! Tell him to buy dat 5 gallon kit, den he can make lot's o surfamabords.
Some materials work better in certain applications, this is one where epoxy excels.
So don't be a dick Sting Ray, and let's not make this personal!!
....Well....it's not really Resinhead's board but the blank was machine shaped from Resinhead's A.P.E. file and cut by Resinheads foam supplier. The mods I made to the vac bag were based on Resinhead's input. The photo I posted shows the board I did. After that the pump and bag set up went to another friend. Everything went wrong on that project.....I guess I'm a Dick for not helping the next guy....well, I am helping him after the fact....But mt camera broke.... so no insulting photos of the basket case veneer job our friend did.......and I wasted quite a few hours on the repair but now I know to pull off a "save" next time!
