a question for you canard quad fish riders …
Do you find your fins ‘skip out’ in bumpy or backwashy head high or so conditions ? [Please be honest. ]
cheers !
ben
…I ask , because during the next few weeks I hope to be trialling the ones I made recently for my bushfire fish . [It “may” even be as soon as tomorrow , swell and conditions permitting, hopefully ?]
chippa:
I surf the above described conditions with a fair degree of regularity. If I don’t surf bump and backwash then I don’t surf anything. I ride a 6’0’’ double bumb canard quad fish courtesy of Mr. Rich Pavel. I’ve had the board for about 8 months now and ride it in all manner of east coast waves.
I have 2 sets of fins for the board. The first is the standard rainbow canard quad set. They are all fiberglass fins. The leading fin is foiled on the rail-side edge as usual while the canard is double foiled as would be expected. I also have what rainbow markets as the ‘turbo speed dialer’ set. If you are not familiar with these fins, they have a pronounced cant and are curved down their length. I’m pretty sure Jim(lokbox) has posted pic of these guys somewhere.
I’ve tried both sets in head high lumpy bump. I must say that I prefer the regular fins to the turbos in all conditions at this point, but particularly in less than ideal waves. (what the heck doesn’t work in good waves, you now?)
In direct response to your question, some 500 words later no less, I have never experienced any sort of skip out with this fin configuration. In fact, I find this board to be about as ‘locked in’ in head high surf as any I’ve ridden. There are some things I’ve not quite worked out on this board. In particular, it seems to take more coaxing to make it sprint in small mushy surf. Not exactly the groveler I’d hoped for. Also, it’s not particularly well suited to vertical surfing in my opinion. This probably has less to do with the fin set up and more to do with the boards weight forward structure.
What this board and, in my estimation, fin set up does incredibly well is speed pump down
the line to set up and execute a nice hard banking roundy. Very positive feeling. As long as I have enough wave energy under my feet, I feel I can lay into a direction change with as much commitment as I desire. No thoughs of skip or slippage at all. And what, chip, could be more fun than that?
In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced what I would consider skip out on that board. Perhaps it’s a positioning issue. I could take some measurements and, of course, piccies if that would help.
the turds
thanks turdy !
yep , pics and dimensions would help , for sure …
…particularly the wings and tip to tip shots and dimensions .
maybe I will pull the tail in and use a wing or two [or narrower template / outline ] on my "next one , IF I ever do a four finner again
cheers for the feedback !
ben
a question for you canard quad fish riders …
Do you find your fins ‘skip out’ in bumpy or backwashy head high or so conditions ? [Please be honest. ]
cheers !
ben
…I ask , because during the next few weeks I hope to be trialling the ones I made recently for my bushfire fish . [It “may” even be as soon as tomorrow , swell and conditions permitting, hopefully ?]
chippa:
I surf the above described conditions with a fair degree of regularity. If I don’t surf bump and backwash then I don’t surf anything. I ride a 6’0’’ double bumb canard quad fish courtesy of Mr. Rich Pavel. I’ve had the board for about 8 months now and ride it in all manner of east coast waves.
I have 2 sets of fins for the board. The first is the standard rainbow canard quad set. They are all fiberglass fins. The leading fin is foiled on the rail-side edge as usual while the canard is double foiled as would be expected. I also have what rainbow markets as the ‘turbo speed dialer’ set. If you are not familiar with these fins, they have a pronounced cant and are curved down their length. I’m pretty sure Jim(lokbox) has posted pic of these guys somewhere.
I’ve tried both sets in head high lumpy bump. I must say that I prefer the regular fins to the turbos in all conditions at this point, but particularly in less than ideal waves. (what the heck doesn’t work in good waves, you now?)
In direct response to your question, some 500 words later no less, I have never experienced any sort of skip out with this fin configuration. In fact, I find this board to be about as ‘locked in’ in head high surf as any I’ve ridden. There are some things I’ve not quite worked out on this board. In particular, it seems to take more coaxing to make it sprint in small mushy surf. Not exactly the groveler I’d hoped for. Also, it’s not particularly well suited to vertical surfing in my opinion. This probably has less to do with the fin set up and more to do with the boards weight forward structure.
What this board and, in my estimation, fin set up does incredibly well is speed pump down
the line to set up and execute a nice hard banking roundy. Very positive feeling. As long as I have enough wave energy under my feet, I feel I can lay into a direction change with as much commitment as I desire. No thoughs of skip or slippage at all. And what, chip, could be more fun than that?
In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced what I would consider skip out on that board. Perhaps it’s a positioning issue. I could take some measurements and, of course, piccies if that would help.
the turds
thanks turdy !
yep , pics and dimensions would help , for sure …
…particularly the wings and tip to tip shots and dimensions .
maybe I will pull the tail in and use a wing or two [or narrower template / outline ] on my "next one , IF I ever do a four finner again
cheers for the feedback !
ben
Hi guys, here’s a couple pics if it helps. Swallow is 8 1/2 tip to tip
No probs with skipping or spinning out for me. On the contrary the board feels really solid in good sized surf! And dragless!
nice
those photos are keepers
i might use as wall paper if you dont mind
thats a pumping wave mate
you must be stoked from that session
lokbox: yeh! nice sequence! gets me so keen to finish my quad.
maybe mine will work better in smooth , quality waves [heck , WHAT board DOESN’T ??], but it skipped all over the shop today […I’m hoping it was the backwash that caused that , mainly !]
…Plus , I feel like I am still working out the ‘sweet spot’, at present .
unfortunately the surf this morning was a tad too small (and straight…LOTS of closeouts !) to be able to really get a fair indication of how those “little green quads” [will] work …
…to be continued …
bentrolloquist
Thanks yeah it was a fun day. For the record I reguraly surf the pavel quad fish in surf twice that size and it holds. I use curved fins,and the board has tapered stringer 1/4" in the nose going down to 1/8th" in the tail. You can really feel the flex through the board provided you don’t glass it too heavy. Mine is double 4oz “S” deck and single 4oz “S” bottom with a tail patch on the deck. Right around 6 3/4 lbs. Funny thing, my friend that took these water shots told me right after taking this next sequence that he could see the board flexing,contorting and conforming to the sections on the waves I was getting. Must be that buttery feel i’m getting when I come screaming off the bottom on an overhead wave and pull in! Thing flies!!
Same day -
Speed bleed
JJR;
were you in northern Peru, mid-december 2005?
Think I shared waves with you and glass shop guy at Mancora…
I was! Funny Mancora was the worst surf i had the whole trip. Too crowded. No respect. That’s actually why I leave home…to get away from that. Lobitos smokes that place anyways! I’ve scored it both trips!! Send me a pic to remind me who you are! Thanks
BTW as if I wasn’t already sold on the quad fish,this session sealed the deal for me. One 300 yard left and I knew it like the back of my hand!
Yeah man; me on a blue home-made sandwich jobbie
Pretty much all we talked about was how freakin busy it was there. And how the first thing I should have learned in Spanish was “Fuck-off my wave!”.
Fun times there, but I was stuck; travelling with five others, all non surfers, including my wife to be (on that trip no less), so I couldn’t really beat feet.
But hey; I’m married into Peru now, so I know I’ll be back; kinda wish we’d stayed down in Organos; either that or further north…the development south of Mancora is mad; everybody and their dog from Lima there.
Was pretty cool seeing Villaran surf Mancora for a couple of days; right after you guys left actually…got solid; head-head+ for a couple of days.
But that was it for me; skunked until one well overhead day on La Costa Verde (aka the toxic surf dump) on our last morning in Lima before back to Canada.
I’ll send you photos of ugly ass island surf from this weekend when we get back.
Cheers,
G
lokbox: inspiring pics mate. thanks.
great shots Jimmy !
do you have a rocker / foil shot of that board , please ?
cheers !
ben chipper ,
west oz
chip, yesterday Rincon was a little bumpy at first and I know I wasn’t putting as much into my turns as I could, but I noticed that the board held better off the bottom when I really layed into it and got it on the rail.
One of the best things about a wide tail with quad fins out on the rail is the nice high line it can hold. This morning I had a nice long wall in front of me (Rincon again) and I was able to get a little half top turn as I’m flying down the line and stay at the top after the turn without even going back down to midface, just high line speed. Awesome feeling.
Wish I had pics of the surfing, but here’s the board:
Hey Jim:
Do you have a thickness dimension on the Pavel? Mine came out a little thick–seems like it’s pushing 3’’ and I was a little dissapointed by that. I think he was concerned about my weight (180) on a 6’ board. I’m not sure. A friend custom ordered one at the same time I did so they came in together. His was foiled quite differently, but he’s a little guy. It’s glassed 6 bottom 6/6 deck so its pretty dang heavy. For the money I wanted it to last, you know? Anyway, the flex is pretty dampened in my board, but I’m still really stoked on it, particularly in better waves.
Hey chip… I have a report. Last night I was surfing in some pretty choppy junk beachbreak in the stomach high range. The lefts (my backhand) were lumping up and had some serious ‘terrain’ to negotiate. Occassionally, when I tried to bottom turn through some of the junk, the board disengaged and skipped out on me. This happened on 2 waves and was a new experience. As long as the waves are reasonably lined up, it is locked in and ready to fly.
hunter
thank you for that , hunter !
reassuring …
cheers ,
ben
how is your big board project going ? [pm me if you want to avoid a hijack manouevre here…cheers !]