Cj3 Visits Barnfield In Hawaii

Billbarnfield · March 6, 2011, 9:07am

Cj3 = Christian stopped by for a visit a while back. He forgot his camera so I loaned him my iPhone 4g. His wife graciously waited while we played around shaping and tried to get the regulator on my compressor working properly. We succeeded getting the shape done and the regulator worked for long enough to get it done but soon went back to its old ways.

Maybe he will share some notes on his Hawaiian adventure!

rooster · March 6, 2011, 3:43pm

OK. I admit it. I’m envious. That is so cool. CJ gets to watch Bill shape a board. I hope he took notes. We’ll have to grill him at the next campout.

Bill, did you shape that board for CJ? Did CJ show you any of his boards and get some pointers? Why do you have a mirror in your shaping bay? And, I hope your healthy, strong, and surfing after the heart thing a couple of years ago. Mike

thrailkill · March 7, 2011, 4:35am

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Why do you have a mirror in your shaping bay?

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Glass door to the retail store, as I recall.

McDing · March 7, 2011, 4:41pm

Been out on that "comp/sand boat latly? Actually a glass door into your retail sounds like a good idea. Especially if you're the only one manning the store. Cuts down on those missing bars of wax.

HerbSpitzer · March 7, 2011, 5:32pm

good goin' mr.b,

keep the faith !

herb

cj3 · March 7, 2011, 5:26am

Wow what a trip.

Thanks Bill for the hospitality and taking the time to show me the proper use of the planer.

The pictures are going up in my shed along with the diagram you posted on the rail band thread.

Wife and I got a week off thanks to the Grandparents.

Had solid waves the entire trip.

Brought two of my shed shaped boards that work well in Nor Cal when there is a bit of push.

The 6'8" worked well but the 7'4" made Sunset more challanging then it already is. Rocker / foil / rails/ planshape/ fins hard to narrow it down but I would start with increasing the entry rocker.

Hey Mike

I read the "shaping longboard rails" thread the night before. Those are my only notes. I was constantly saying to myself" OK Thats what he meant when he said ......". I do not know if my "shaping mind" has just finally matured enough to grasp it or if I just lost the fear of the planer, but it clicked. I just finished shaping a board last night and was able to use the planer to make all my rail bands. No pencil marks just shadows. Not perfect but 100% better than before.

The board being shaped was for a lucky young girl in Florida.

CJ

Billbarnfield · March 7, 2011, 7:05am

Aloha Rooster

Howz things! The board I was shaping wasn’t for Christian, though that would have been fun! I did get to see 2 of Christian’s, compsand boards and we talked about them a bit. Wish we would have had more time. Christian was great, very helpful and receptive. And his wife was a Princess letting the boys hang out on her vacation.

I don’t have a mirror in my shaping room. As Bill T noted, that is a glass viewing door from Raging Isle’s retail area. Which reminds me, I have some photos of Bill when he visited a while back. I will try to post them.

My health is good, thanks for asking.

maka · March 7, 2011, 8:39pm

Nice room Bill. Great to hear you are feeling better. Do you always leave your deck stringer proud until the end? Thinking maybe it saves the blades. I had some dull experiences with the ply stringers and use my "other planer" to take the big cuts now but the solid bass, cedar seems okay. OR it could all be in my head?

rooster · March 8, 2011, 2:32am

Glad your healthy, Bill. I can see it’s a window now. Mike

Billbarnfield · March 8, 2011, 3:43am

Aloha McDing

I had to put it in the water temporarily for its yearly slip inspection.

Now it is back home in the yard awaiting the final work on the bottom. Hopefully it will be in the water permanently by mid April.

I normally have 3-5 people working on the sales floor daily, so they keep a good eye on the wax.

Billbarnfield · March 8, 2011, 3:50am

Thanks Herb. What’s happening with the finless revolution?

McDing · March 8, 2011, 4:11am

I'm diggin' those colors. Seriously! Gonna start using colors along those lines on a series of boards. Greens, yellows, orange. Nice. Glad to hear you're well.

HerbSpitzer · March 8, 2011, 4:22am

it's goin' on all around us as we speak.

my design is getting an update,with some old twists made new.

plus many,many distractions,..........family,dogs,............and a skateboard movie i will be in.

the movie is a doc. on the signal hill speed races in the 70s.i raced the last two of the four years from 75-78.poured my heart out into it and hoping for the best.

looks to be a hit,the way i see it going.

the guys putting it together are really into there craft,and some big backers stepped up.

should be good viewing.

as for me,

...........surfin' alot more,and seeing my goals in clarity.

wishing you the best.

herb

Billbarnfield · March 8, 2011, 8:43am

Thanks Maka

The only hand planes I normally use are 2 Stanley Small Trimming Planes. Mine are modified though. The blades are super high quality steel. And they are ground in an arc. See photos below. One is ground with a larger arc and the blade is set shallower for finest cuts. The other is ground with a tighter arc and is set to a deeper cut. I rarely use this one. I keep them both sharp via diamond sharpening stones.

I make sure that my final power planer cuts are as clean and shallow as possible, including those over the stringer. Therefore the amount of sanding I have to do is as little as possible. And that causes the stringer to rise as little as possible, requiring the least hand planing to level it with the foam. So… in answer to your question…

The steps outlined below will show at what point I hand plane the stringer. The power planer steps are done with A Skil 100 planer.

Choose Blank

BOTTOM

Skin Bottom. Depending on the condition of the blank I sometimes do a bit more at this stage… like alter rockers, remove twists, etc.

BOTTOM

Draw Template with # 1 Pencil

Cut Out Template using Hand Saw. If I am doing a bunch of duplicate boards I use full templates and a router

BOTTOM

Shape in the Bottom’s Rocker and Contours plus the Bottom’s Primary Rail Band and Secondary Rail Bands.

DECK

Shape in the Deck’s Primary Rail Band

Shape in the Deck’s Thickness and Foil.

Shape in the Deck’s Secondary Rail Bands.

Shape in the Deck’s Blending Bands

BOTTOM

Sand Bottom with 60 grit and Balsa wood Sanding Block

Hand Plane Stringer using Stanley Small trimming Plane with custom small custom made arced blade set to shallow cut

Sand Bottom Stringer area lightly with 60 grit and Balsa wood Sanding Block

DECK

Sand Deck with 60 grit and Balsa wood Sanding Block

If needed, grind in deck's Nose Scoop with 7" Grinder

Blend in Deck Scoop with 60 grit and Balsa wood Sanding Block

Blend Rails with 60 grit and Balsa wood Sanding Block

Hand Plane Stringer using Stanley Small trimming Plane with custom made large arced blade set to shallow cut

Sand Deck Stringer area lightly with 60 grit and Balsa wood Sanding Block

BOTTOM

Fine Sand Bottom with 150 grit

Hand Plane Stringer using Stanley Small trimming Plane with custom made large arced blade set to shallow cut

Blend Bottom Stringer with 150 grit

DECK

Fine Sand Deck with 150 grit

Hand Plane Stringer with fine cut Stanley Small trimming Plane with custom made arced blade set to shallow cut

Blend Deck Stringer with 150 grit

BOTTOM

Screen Bottom Rail Radius and blend hard edge if needed

DECK

Screen Deck Side Rails

BOTTOM

Mark Fins

Sign Shaped Blank

Measure Shaped Blank and Record Measurements

maka · March 8, 2011, 11:16pm

Thankyou Bill. Very generous sharing. I did'nt have to sweep, break and bag da bones or nothing. Times have sure changed!

Aloha, M.

reverb · March 9, 2011, 3:03pm

…hello BB, better to have an intermediate grit and not to jump on directly with the finer grit.

-if the customer wants for ex.: 2 3/8 max thickness or reproduce other measurements or rocker along the foil, is better to take measurements in several parts of the process and not in the end when all is done and may be the tolerance arent so good.

tblank · March 10, 2011, 2:47am

Hello B.B., Thanks for the visual on the plane blades. Great idea, the best I've seen in a while. I'm on my way to the bench grinder to modify a blade or two. Thanks Heaps!

ps. "didn't have to sweep or bag and break da bones". Classic!