Clark foam investors ????????

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Kokua, I couldn’t resist but to do a little research on your question of where the molds will go. Curiosity will always get the best of me.

The regulation of hazardous materials waste falls under the duties of the DTSC who are under the EPA. According the ca.gov site, “DTSC has permitted more than 130 major commercial facilities to treat, store, and dispose of hazardous waste in California.” So the implementation is the job of the private sector… and woh, we’re talking profit margins here, so we need to stop wasting money. I would GUESS (this is based on a partially completed college education) that they would treat the molds to change the toxic chemicals into something that’s not and landfill those bad boys. How crazy would that be? “Yes, my house is built over the same molds that Clark foam used to spearhead the PU industry.”

Are landfill’s the norm over in Hawaii? Seems like it would be a much more difficult task considering the amount of land available… and what a shame to do that to the coast lines.

Ryan

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As one working 10 years in environmental consulting, I’ll throw in here.

There are no TSDF (hazwaste disposal) sites in Hawaii. All hazwaste goes to the mainland. Under strict controls, one can accumulate hazwaste for up to 180 days. The Department of Health, Soliid and Hazardous Waste Branch, regulates hazwaste in Hawaii.

Hazwaste generated by the private sector is disposed by them, with reporting to the Department of Health. The public sector (government, universities, military) also generates hazwaste, and again, mostly, the private sector is contracted to dispose of this as well.

If Grubby destroyed the molds, they were his to destroy. Whether you or I or the guy next door knows or accepts the reason, Grubby had one. I doubt they were contaminated to the point of qualifying as hazwaste, but it could be. No matter, they’re gone, but easily reproduceable from an intact blank. Heck, look at the catalog! All the rocker information is there - the cross-sectional volume is merely convenience to the shaper, and economy of providing a blank with little physical waste.

No one will resurrect the Clark Foam factory equipment, in California at least. It is next to impossible to consider that it could be relocated.

Loehr has it in another post, and elsewhere - we gotta get over it and adapt to new sources or new materials. There are going to be a LOT of EPS/epoxy boards around in the near future. T&C will build a LOT of XPS/epoxy boards. Soon, too, there will be a lot of Asian PU/PE boards too. I’m thinking hollow wood for larger boards. As they age, some of the overseas composite boards will be “affordable” also.

I regret not being able to use PU blanks, mostly because I have a couple gallons of PE resin in the garage, close to the pull date. I will learn to do EPS. I will learn to lam with epoxy. You can hot coat and gloss with PE over epoxy; that’s probably where the rest of my resin will go.

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It’ not worst the time and money to invest in a foam bussiness

today if you plan to make millions.

the monopoly of Clark Foam is gone for ever, he was the “regulator” of the industry for so many years controling the competion, giving good price to the US customers , this way nobody want to import blanks, pretty smart guy.

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Howzit RyGuy, Landfills are the norm here and they are filling up quickly. Hurricane InIki’s trash equaled about 8 years of trash which didn’t help the situationby any means. Just recently here on Kauai they tried to find another place for a new one but ended up just expanding the old one. The irony is that the landfill is next to the ocean in Kekaha and there is a couple of surf spots in the immediate area. As the population of Kauai gets larger so will the trash. In the 70’s we were allowed to scavenge the land fills and recycle some things other people threw away but now with the transfer stations that is a thing of the past, such a shame since I liked finding treasures there. Scavenged many car parts, found really old bottles and once found a Gynocoligists exam table and tried to put it in my truck but it weighed about 500 lbs. Found a really old fan one time with a huge motor and it was the best exhaust fan I ever had, every time I turned it on I was sure it would take off and fly away. I once found a perfectly good rattan couch bed and brought it home, people couldn’t believe where i got it. I think about all the broken boards that could have been put back together or used the foam for other things.Aloha,Kokua

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Howzit RyGuy, That’s a shame since I received an e-mail today from a person interested in buying the company. But the fact that he custom made the machinery should not have been a factor.People are inventing new things every day and you have to build a prototype to get a patent so…

you havent had to build a prototype for a US patent for over a hundred years…where have you been?

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Just to clear up any confusion. Hazardous waste landfills or secure landfills are different than solid waste/sanitary landfills. Also to add that radioactive waste is treated even more securely on two different levels, high and low. Ex. Yucca mtns in Nevada debate for being a 256-plutonium (high level) disposal site. Have a good day.