Although all the cosmic stuff is a bit out there for me personally, I say each to their own for inspiration. You should all not be judging him on his claims of cosmic intactness and physics claims, but by what he has produced and how it works.
It’s pretty hard to deny that his craft are innovative, and they work pretty damn well.
I don’t think anyones raggin the science at all…but , the science isnt the only way , or the best way…it’s just a new way , and its based on many thousands of years of good practical thinking , which is refered to as “data” these days…I still prefer thinking (lol)
I will stand by that, never over achieving at anything, the only possible exception being getting a carpark at Rainbow /Snapper, did it again this morning, pure, just born to park, most of the time, it takes a lot of laps, just like the science of surfboards, it comes from surfing, making a shitty one and finding out why, being a good enough surfer to know, only wanting to surf well, not just surf. Getting flogged in heavy waves, a nose deep in your knee and too many other injuries to mention [not all], because your design wasn’t right. What’s the point of making a radically different design and surfing it the same as the current ones, ie, the young pro in the contests. There are so many variables in surfing and I say go for it all, youth is the blessing, you bastards.
cheers H.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, fuck this place, you have seen it all before, the guy who is serious, go to Lennox and ask them, meet his old man. I’m out again for a while, that is a really funny movie about it all, there’s no fun here.
[quote="$1"] I mean seriously... what if they had made the wheel for millenia as a doedecagon with flat sides, but just enough angle to allow it to roll?? Sure the wheel would've worked with that design, but it wouldn't work as efficiently until someone understood WHY it worked, and then applied mathematics to realize that you could increase the efficiency by x% if you just changed the shape a little bit... [/quote]
I knew it would happen eventually, and now its official: modern science, with the aid of engineering mathematics and computerized technology, has reinvented the wheel, and its...(drumroll)...ROUND! (cheers and applause all around)
shuska said;
"Seriously I don’t even know
what the hell you’re saying anymore"
Now I know that you dont know:
the machine shapes
come in ,I believe, three choices
80 passes of the cutter or 128 passes or 45.
the 80 pass shape takes
more hand work,scrubbing of the blank
before sending it to the glassing stage
the 128 pass machining can almost
be sent straight to the glass shop.
the 40 pass shape is for roughing AKA
skinning and truing up the blank.
figure out the riddle only if …
If you don’t wanna
then do what you do for ever
thinking you are right.
...ambrose...
I think you
may never get it
and that's O.K.
If everybody got it
it wouldn't be
'IT'
any more questions?
as to the Jabberwocky,(corrected spelling)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9o6DH_uzE
2minutes and 10 seconds
of illumination
courtesy of the jim henson genius
interpreting Jabberwocky.
Oh the Bandersnatch
formerly pure fiction.
Then CAD realized,bitchin’ science!
and cassius clay said it
" float like a butterfly ,sting like a bee"
c.clay changed his name to Muhamad Ali.
once a hero now just a shell of his former glory.
…ambrose…
[quote="$1"]
cutting edge.
Sam Reid said to Lunchmeat more than once,
" There ain't nothing new,it's just new to you."
and lunch has told it to me enough
to make me wanna pass it on to you.
better builders than me or you
were long dead before we had a clue.
If I have a clue its up to every and shushka
to figure out the riddle only if they
wanna.If you dont wanna
then do what you do for ever
thinking you are right.
...ambrose...
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data is god?
cash is king?
get a glassing machine
for board #2
[/quote]
So what?? Because you're a washed up old haole on Kauai (yeah that's right, I've asked around and there's not a lot of respect for you here on the islands) you want to trash on a young beginner for wanting to embrace more of their craft and have a deeper knowledge of the "why" and not jus shape shit the way everyone else says to just because? I know your type, you don't want to actually teach the younger crowds anything outside of sways. You're just a troll who sits in the background and rails on other people who want to have a deeper understanding of their craft.
Congratulations, you can post pictures of my glass job on THE FIRST BOARD THAT I HAVE EVER BUILT! Guess what, I don't care what you think of my work because I'm just starting. And guess what, much like many of the younger guys who I've heard have approached you for help only to be shunned, I'm just doing it on my own, with no "mentor" of any sorts. And guess what, even though it's not asthetically pleasing, my first board is coming out pretty great considering I only had youtube and text to teach me. But hey, what do you care, you're just a troll. You should learn to have more respect for people, even the ones who are learning. Just because it's not the way you do it, doesn't give you the right to go around deriding others for doing it. With your attitude you aren't going to have many people who are actually "true" friends to you once your back is turned.
Now I'm really done responding to your posts, and anything I would've thought useful knowledge from you in the past is now moot.
thanks.
I have over catalized 5o sides in my life
of building boards that looked worse than that
without going pissy .you aren’t done ,fix it.
including the insulting , you are my only friend.
First respect yourself then you will be able
to understand.You posted the picture.
…ambrose…
good luck
see you when you are 60
now I know all about me
I can get back to work.
you are now my mentor.
I await further instructions
shushka420, you're missing the point, and yet simultaneously and unknowingly proving it, so severely that it's painful. try sit facing the corner and think about what's been said here by you and others. then you can fire up your computer aided livlihood again and wonder if you aren't a hypocrite.
What a surprise, another 1boardwonder here to thump his chest.
[quote="$1"]
shushka420, you're missing the point, and yet simultaneously and unknowingly proving it, so severely that it's painful. try sit facing the corner and think about what's been said here by you and others. then you can fire up your computer aided livlihood again and wonder if you aren't a hypocrite.
What a surprise, another 1boardwonder here to thump his chest.
[/quote]
No1 I've seen your other posts on sways too - you're a troll just like ambrose. You post maybe once every couple months, and it seems that not a single thread goes by where your involvement doesn't garnish comments from the rest of the community like "why don't you contribute something useful" .... something you still have yet to do.
Seriously people - how does applying paper analysis to a board mean I'm automatically going to fire up the magical shaping machine run by menehunes to materialize a board out of thin air with no effort on my part?
You're obviously the one missing the point here considering you can still apply science and engineering to a board design and (you might want to sit down for this mind-blower) HAND SHAPE IT!!
I know, crazy right? To think someone who would use such sorcery as math and hydrodynamics would actually pick up a sanding block and make the final product themselves?
If you don't apply math and design to your board designs, whether you are a hand shaper or a CAD shaper, all you're doing is copying someone elses work. But using sound scientific method by no way means you're any less of a shaper: it just means you're smart enough to put foresight into your designs so you don't spit out worthless boards that dont work. You know, they use the same black magic in building construction... I theres some saying that goes "Measure twice, cut once?" But of course only a buffoon would do that
And yes, you're right, I'm just some "one board wonder" and you're the cover band of shapers. Forgive me for not recognizing the greatness of the vast quiver of boards you've shaped and posted on here... oh wait
[quote="$1"]
Shushka,
Alot of times these threads mutate into something else. I don't recall anyone saying Mr. Thomson should not due whatever he wants or that his boards do not surf. Just questioned the scientific mumbo jumbo when describing his inspiration. My specific question of "What does quantum mechanics have to do with surfboard design?" was not answered. If you want to apply scientific method into board building you should do it. Is Mr. Thomson using scientific method on his boards or just is he just a talented, creative guy having fun and using the rest as marketing BS?
You seem to be very angry about something. Whatever, it's just surfboards, not curing cancer or feeding the hungry. You blew off and insulted a member who is very knowledgable, encouraging, and helpful to new builders if you learn to read between the lines. Maybe you don't need the help. Your photo suggest you do. Anyway, it's all about having fun. Isn't it? Hope your having fun. Mike
[/quote]
Not sure which "helpful, encouraging" member you're referring to, but you sure are right that this thread mutated - not into anything regarding the original subject though. It more turned into two people bashing those who'd like to know the "why" behind their craft and not just do it. I never said I don't need help - as a matter of fact, I never once spoke on my abilies as a shaper you'll notice until ambrose "called me out" or whatever it is he does. As a matter of fact, if you re-read all of my posts I was only ever saying that having a deeper knowledge of the science behind board building is beneficial, but to shun it as "mumbo jumbo" is ignorant.
The way people behave on here is one thing, but when someone gets a bad reputation on these islands (they're VERY small), word gets around FAST. Just because someone is "helpful" on here or whatever it is you want to call it, doesn't mean that they aren't cynnical, elitist and downright disrespectful in real life.
Either way, I'm done with the tangents on this thread. If people want to attack other people about their desire to have a deeper understanding of boardbuilding and be more than just glorified carpenters that's fine. I'll do what I want to do and they can do what they want. To all the people on here who are actually helpful I thank you for all your knowledge and support of the younger generation. To those who just like to bash other people who try something different, have fun with that.
such a noble crusader of swaylockian honor, you are. ambrose has been eloquating here for 8 years, and has forgotten more about building , design, and the engligh language than you will ever know. you show up and within 30 days start multiple threads asking poorly researched questions which are ALL answered in the archives, seem to take pride in not understanding ambrose’ prose, and manage to cry TROLL no less than 10 times. lazy and entitled, par for the course. whos the real troll here?
in reality, just another kook with no idea what youre talking about. funniest part is how youre all the same - entirely clueless yet blind to that fact. garbage in, garbage out. if you want to learn anything, keep your head down and your ears open, with all that flapping im surprised you can hear yourself [not] thinking.
Shushka,
Alot of times these threads mutate into something else. I don’t recall anyone saying Mr. Thomson should not due whatever he wants or that his boards do not surf. Just questioned the scientific mumbo jumbo when describing his inspiration. My specific question of “What does quantum mechanics have to do with surfboard design?” was not answered. If you want to apply scientific method into board building you should do it. Is Mr. Thomson using scientific method on his boards or just is he just a talented, creative guy having fun and using the rest as marketing BS?
You seem to be very angry about something. Whatever, it’s just surfboards, not curing cancer or feeding the hungry. You blew off and insulted a member who is very knowledgable, encouraging, and helpful to new builders if you learn to read between the lines. Maybe you don’t need the help. Your photo suggest you do. Anyway, it’s all about having fun. Isn’t it? Hope your having fun. Mike
yawn.
bad reputation.
cynnnical-
downright disrespectful I’m through responding to your posts ambrose,
I may be adamant, but I never claim to be an expert
Seriously I don't even know what the hell you're saying anymore
ambrose has been claimed the poet lauriate of swaylocks. a unique voice with a lot of wisdom.
i met ambrose once at his shop and i do not see how he could ever have a bad reputation. he took me and my wife out on some 12 ft boards he made himself and sent us home with a huge bag of mangoes and aloe. and again - this was the only time i met him! who gives that kind of treatment to a pair of strangers?
so if if you dont like his point of view then forget it. agree to disagree. people dont have to agree on everything - it would be a boring world if that was the case. but you have acted with very poor manners to someone that you should show respect to. an apology is in order.....
To die is to be a counterfeit, for he is but the counterfeit of
a man who hath not the life of a man; but to counterfeit dying,
when a man thereby liveth, is to be no counterfeit, but the true
and perfect image of life indeed. The better part of valor is
discretion, in the which better part I have sav’d my life.
I hoped the first post would have spawned a conversation but sometimes it is better to read and absorb, formulate an opinion, consider the opposition, and chalk it up to another learning experience. Arguing is the cheap seats.