Quote from the second highest paid energy company CEO as he was losing his job: “I guess we could have been a little more compassionate”. In America thousands of workers each year are losing their jobs to management opportunists. These guys form predatory alliances with worker unions and suppliers. If my guess is right, and it is, this jerk is doing the same thing to surfboard customers that the above energy jerk did to California energy customers. The result is that consumers are forced to pay out the ass for inferior conglomerate-produced products.>>> lets get back to learning from each other not writing off > each others ideas / beliefs / concepts. I couldn’t agree more. I pointed to inherent inconsistencies in polyurethane blank densities. This jerk came on saying that my association with styrofoam gave me some vested interest in criticizing polyurethane blanks. I have no vested interest in styrofoam blanks. The nature of styrofoam blanks dictates that nobody CAN have a vested interest in them. From there, you have to ask who would be threatened by a quality wholesale part that “just anybody” can buy. What is the jerk’s vested interest…hmmmmm? If you think about it real hard, you’ll see that he’s probably buying thousands of PU blanks every year. Ever notice how unions and monopolies go together? Ever notice how you find union monopolies only where government or geography can make suppliers and consumers dependent on their products? So there’s the problem for big shots trying to form monopolies. Unless they capture supplier and consumer markets, they can’t force consumers to buy their crap or pay their inflated prices. They know that competition will break their monopolies every time. It doesn’t matter who wins surfing contests on boards that won’t last until the next surf session. Either refuse to buy crappy mass produced rack boards, or bend over. Oh, but about feeding your family? …forget about it. Now watch how quiet the “lesser” pros get.
A friend of mine had bought into a revolutionary board for it’s time.It rode like chicken crap,and fell apart in a short time,HE WAS BUMMED, SO TO CHEER HIM UP, THIS IS WHAT I TOLD HIM… …IN THE LONG RUN, THEY’RE ALL MAN-MADE PIECES OF SH*T.Herb
I’m on a short leash today so forgive my interruption. From first hand experience , e-mail , or chat room sharing can easily be blow out of context with undetectable tone , lack of, or too much content. This could be a good example. It has become the jerk against the emperor again. Lego the ego.>>> Quote from the second highest paid energy company CEO as he was losing his > job: “I guess we could have been a little more compassionate”.>>> In America thousands of workers each year are losing their jobs to > management opportunists. These guys form predatory alliances with worker > unions and suppliers. If my guess is right, and it is, this jerk is doing > the same thing to surfboard customers that the above energy jerk did to > California energy customers. The result is that consumers are forced to > pay out the ass for inferior conglomerate-produced products.>>> I couldn’t agree more. I pointed to inherent inconsistencies in > polyurethane blank densities. This jerk came on saying that my association > with styrofoam gave me some vested interest in criticizing polyurethane > blanks. I have no vested interest in styrofoam blanks. The nature of > styrofoam blanks dictates that nobody CAN have a vested interest in them. > From there, you have to ask who would be threatened by a quality wholesale > part that “just anybody” can buy.>>> What is the jerk’s vested interest…hmmmmm? If you think about it real > hard, you’ll see that he’s probably buying thousands of PU blanks every > year.>>> Ever notice how unions and monopolies go together? Ever notice how you > find union monopolies only where government or geography can make > suppliers and consumers dependent on their products? So there’s the > problem for big shots trying to form monopolies. Unless they capture > supplier and consumer markets, they can’t force consumers to buy their > crap or pay their inflated prices. They know that competition will break > their monopolies every time.>>> It doesn’t matter who wins surfing contests on boards that won’t last > until the next surf session. Either refuse to buy crappy mass produced > rack boards, or bend over. Oh, but about feeding your family? …forget > about it.>>> Now watch how quiet the “lesser” pros get.
I’m on a short leash today so forgive my interruption. From first hand > experience , e-mail , or chat room sharing can easily be blow out of > context with undetectable tone , lack of, or too much content. This could > be a good example.>>> It has become the jerk against the emperor again. Lego the ego. Ya, I’ll grant you this. This is robably not the CEO of a large surfboard company. He probably wouldn’t be this stupid. It’s probably one of the toadies vested in foam-supplier predatory business practices. You’ll start doing the same things if you sleep with them… if you aren’t already.
Ya, I’ll grant you this. This is robably not the CEO of a large surfboard > company. He probably wouldn’t be this stupid. It’s probably one of the > toadies vested in foam-supplier predatory business practices.>>> You’ll start doing the same things if you sleep with them… if you aren’t > already. i
m impressed. youre a pretty smart guy noodle. thankfully few surfers will ask the kinds of questions that you do and even less will listen to the answers. water sports enthusiasts are nothing more than a disposable commodity. numbers and money. besides everybodys doing it. think: throw away a bag of chips. the “sk”? try invisible door #2. the one that says “surf industry middleman”. quite lucrative too. from both ends these suckers just pay and pay and pay. see ya bro!
what good isa stick if it doesnt have the right look? if it isnt a babe > magnet an have “that” totally rad look, then its time to lay the > smack down for another one that does. sometimes a board isnt > “magic” because you havent put ALL the most core stickers on > it!!! surfin would be NOWHERE if todays hottist cues werent babe bait!! > that aint Viagra, thats progressive!!! …ignorance is bliss…
…ignorance is bliss… Yes, the ignorance of many has always enriched the bank accounts of a few.
I’ve stuck to my handle on this and other bb’s for five years now. My persona is consistent. I’ve said how I feel about issues, and taken the hits which my stand caused. I’m just that gullible. Some guy comes here with a two month old persona talking sh*t about me, Im gonna defend myself for the sake of the truth which I speak. I’ve taken FAR worse hits for standing on principle in my personal life. The densities inside polyurethane foam blanks are very inconsistent. Even the inconsistencies are very inconsistent. This is true whether or not a viable alternative to PU blanks is available. The facts speak for themselves. That this guy is trying to tie me to some non-existent alternative blank market is evidence that he, himself has a vested interest in protecting the ONLY blank market, the polyurethane blank market. And gee… that market IS monopolized. He assigns his motive to other people, even if the motive CAN’T apply. Where are his arguments? That Pro Surfer X is winning while riding on boards that none of us would want? That’s crap. Next argument… ? Lies can prevail only when people conspire to create an alternate perception of reality.
…IN THE LONG RUN, THEY’RE ALL MAN-MADE PIECES OF SH*T.Herb Lifelong boards with good riding characteristics are available NOW. Lifelong boards with riding characteristics which surpass new poly/poly boards are at our fingertips. The only factor threatening their development is the blank market, and whether or not we can make such boards from blanks produced in a competitive market. -Noodle
Yes, the ignorance of many has always enriched the bank accounts of a few. I really don’t care who he/she/it sceptic is, the fact is I like reading their posts because they make me laugh-I just can’t take them seriously…I even try to but can’t believe they are, well “serious”.
Lifelong boards with good riding characteristics are available NOW.>>> Lifelong boards with riding characteristics which surpass new poly/poly > boards are at our fingertips. The only factor threatening their > development is the blank market, and whether or not we can make such > boards from blanks produced in a competitive market.>>> -Noodle The technology and techniques to create lifelong boards with good riding characteristics have been available for YEARS… but can only be found by looking OUTSIDE the mainstream surfing industry. Although it may occasionally make an person light-headed, I`ve found that air outside the box is always much fresher.
Lifelong boards with good riding characteristics are available NOW.>>> Lifelong boards with riding characteristics which surpass new poly/poly > boards are at our fingertips. The only factor threatening their > development is the blank market, and whether or not we can make such > boards from blanks produced in a competitive market.>>> -Noodle this has been an exhuastive thread! please enlighten me to the method & materials you would make lifelong boards with! http://www.feraldave.com
See my foam test in the archive foam tests2 PIC foam tests PIC Thanks Geert
Life long boards. Dave the foam we make at Southcoast will last twice as long or more than burford blanks you use, but as you say the foam is to hard for the machine to cut, Which is crape, But you know this,you have the lastest ideas in foam at your door steep and you won’t try it, I know that anyone from the USA would rate the foam better than anything they have used.we have team boards that are 6 months old still with deck in good order with a single 4 oz deck. What more could you ask for. I have enjoyed reading this thread Rabbit http://www.southcoastfoam.com.au
Life long boards. Dave the foam we make at Southcoast will last twice as > long or more than burford blanks you use, but as you say the foam is to > hard for the machine to cut, Which is crape, But you know this,you have > the lastest ideas in foam at your door steep and you won’t try it, I know > that anyone from the USA would rate the foam better than anything they > have used.we have team boards that are 6 months old still with deck in > good order with a single 4 oz deck. What more could you ask for. I have > enjoyed reading this thread Rabbit example: the estimated life of kelly slaters polyurethane foam boards is less than two weeks. actually they have it nailed down to effective HOURS of use. of particular note is that hes not using any colossal piece of monkey crap eps boards. pretty cool.
Life long boards. Dave the foam we make at Southcoast will last twice as > long or more than burford blanks you use, but as you say the foam is to > hard for the machine to cut, Which is crape, But you know this,you have > the lastest ideas in foam at your door steep and you won’t try it, I know > that anyone from the USA would rate the foam better than anything they > have used.we have team boards that are 6 months old still with deck in > good order with a single 4 oz deck. What more could you ask for. I have > enjoyed reading this thread Rabbit im not here to argue the benifits or write of your product rabbit i do see your foam cut and also old boards every week as we do many repairs from boards all over the coast. ive my opinions and ill keep them to myself. however i was interested in what some of the previous guys had to say and i am interesed in new and better quality materials. so far in my experiance none of the foam here in australia will make LIFELONG high performance shortboards! http://www.feraldave.com
why dont you just find a place to meet and kick the shit out of eachother? That would solve it for good.
Dave, Sorry for the delay. I got preoccupied with Thanksgiving events (an upcoming American holiday). I really appreciate and share your interest in a lifelong surfboard. I’ve posted a lot of information about my methods of building surfboards from beaded 2 lb/cu ft styrofoam and epoxy fiberglass. It’s apparent that resistance to epoxy/EPS is among us. It wouldn’t surprise me if resistance to this construction method is building from Swaylockians getting sick of repeatedly being subjected to my accounts. If it makes you feel better, other people invented these methods and materials, not me. Cut two hotwire rocker-and-deck guides from 1/8" thick plywood, hardwood, or masonite (pressed cardboard). If you use hardwood, smooth down the edges really well. You can use it for stringer material later. Find a source for a “billet” of 2 lb/cu ft beaded polystyrene foam, probably from a boat pontoon or dock supplier. This foam is expanded from solid polystyrene beads by heat, and has a closed, although slightly absorbent, cell structure. I’ll call it EPS for Expanded PolyStyrene. I believe Dow Chemical has an EPS factory in Australia, making foam under another brand. I’ll try to find it with you. The alternative polystyrene is Extruded PolyStyrene, usually a less-dense construction foam with a highly absorbent open-cell structure. Hotwire cut a blank from the EPS billet. Cut the blank in half and glue in a stringer or two using white glue or epoxy. Cut your surfboard outline out of the EPS blank. Remove foam and stringer material until you remove everything that doesn’t look like a surfboard. Fill your gouges and dents in layers with lightweight spackle. Dry the spackle between layers. Mix lightweight spackle with distilled water. Coat the board and dry, then coat and dry again. Lightly sand, shaping the spackle as you sand. You can color the shaped blank with water-acrylic fabric paint, tint the lam resin, or paint the board, as you would color a poly/poly board. Find a source of clear 2-to-1 UV inhibited epoxy laminating resin. I got my last batch from http://www.surfsource.net It’s looking hopeful. I recently lammed a board with clear System 3 surfboard epoxy. It’s yellowing prematurely. Cut three layers of 6oz glass for the bottom and laminate. Cut 3 2/3 layers for the deck and laminate. I’ll post alternatives later. After the lam hardens, thoroughly sand the glass surface. Hotcoat and glosscoat with surfboard polyester resin. I use 6oz warp E glass for laminating for a board weight comparable to modern poly/poly boards. It’s stronger than those boards and still relatively flexible. But it’s not bulletproof. You can use 5oz warp S glass for a still-lighter board with, maybe, slightly more strength and flex. 6 oz warp S glass would yield a very strong, flexible board. You can reduce top and bottom lam layers by one, and use carbon or kevlar fabric. The resulting board will be feather-light, and nearly bulletproof, but pretty stiff. With my warp E glass schedule I slowly get deck dents, but I have no spider cracks or delams in 4 years of surfing. I admit that I don’t put the kind of water use on my boards that lots of surfers do. But still, the boards are looking good. 95% of surfboard dings happen on dry land. EPS foam will soak up water, so repair your dings before surfing. But don’t use polyester resin against EPS foam. Polyester resin melts EPS foam. I repaired the only ding in my board. It worked out fine, and I’m still surfing. Epoxy has a drawback. UV sunlight degrades it. Your polyester coatings will significantly reduce the amount of UV epoxy damage. To be safe I keep my boards in drawstring bags, but not while I ride them. Hehehe… The best things about EPS blanks: 1) EPS density is relatively consistent throughout the blank, and 2)Competing suppliers of surfboard blanks keep quality up and costs down, until one supplier accomplishes what all suppliers are competing for… taking over the market. Surfboard quality and price is better protected if we are able to make blanks from bulk foam, like EPS, used in building other products. With EPS the blank market becomes a self-correcting environment where monopolies eliminate themselves. The biggest enemies of progress are insecure laborers and suppliers and managers, all afraid that they can’t survive or thrive in a competitive environment. They attempt to join forces, and use predatory business practices. The resulting power block forces competitive producers out of the marketplace. The resulting monopolies reduce product quality, raise prices, and stifle product improvement. The original insecure laborers, suppliers and managers usually get “severed” in the process, and their families go hungry… All so that a few insecure people won’t have to compete. Suckers are always motivated by greed… the “hook”. A message to anyone willing to listen: TRUST YOUR ABILITY. If you don’t measure up, find a niche where your trust is justified. You ARE in control of the things you do. Simply don’t do things that make bad things happen to you.
This may inconvenience you but this fight has a right side and a wrong side. If the jerk whups me, will that make PU blank density more consistent, or just make your life easier to live? Why don’t you set your pants on fire?
This may inconvenience you but this fight has a right side and a wrong > side. If the jerk whups me, will that make PU blank density more > consistent, or just make your life easier to live?>>> Why don’t you set your pants on fire? Nood, Take a couple of little tokes and enjoy the ride.