Details of Bill's Pre-fin

Bill has been kind enough to share with me the details of his Pre-fin design.  All credit goes to Bill here…I brought nothing to the table on this one except for that I made the fins.  Both are his templates and design.  

The main fin is a 7 5/8’’ fin that is the template he used for the most recent big wave board that Bird Huffan had Bill shape.  The fin is made from (30 layers) 7.5oz Volan with yellow tint to give it this ugly yellow poop color. 

Here are some notes from our conversation which led to the making of these fins.  

  • Pre-fin is held in place by the main fin
  • Pre-fin is 50-60% the depth of the main fin
  • Pre-fin can be used with thick foiled main fins
  • Pre-fin base 1.25'' to 1.5'' wide
  • Match the trailing edge of the Pre-fin to the leading edge of the Main fin
  • Slot between the two fins must remain constant width
  • Slot width is between 5/8'' and 3/4''
  • What makes the Pre-fin so effective is the very high camber, in relation to the fin chord.  That and the gap between the pre-fin and main fin.  

This fin is heading to a fellow Sway and hopefully he will give us a ride report one day.  

Enjoy!  Thanks Bill for your help.



Template

Amazing !

Wahoooo!! That looks like a good time!  Mike

Good stuff Bill…I’m going to go crazy if I ever make another board.

Modular, so you can surf the main fin with and without the prefin to isolate its effect.  

…I see the errors from here in the longboard surface; you should sand it better next time…so for the guys here that always talking about 1/8 or like that of tweaking here and there, bear in mind that a bad sanded board is another variable.

I surfed for about 3 years with a board with inline fins in ´97; also I put here few photos of other boards that I made in the past with in line fins; in Aussie land lots of boards with in line fins in early to mid 90s but most were glass on, the only thing different seems the wedge in the base of smaller fin.

Looks can be deceiving. You can’t always believe your lying eyes.

how does it ride , like wildy’s inline fins ?

 

THEY are fun …still a few around here !

The fin in the first pic appears to be taller or narrower than the fin under construction ?

Looks interesting - what is the theory at work here?

Pretty cool.

I want to try them.

Me too.

Bill,

Is this fin set-up more reserved for big waves?

Would it’s benefits be noticeable in smaller surf from chest to head high?

Just curious…

Thanks,

Warren

That style fin was all the rage in windsurfing for a few years. They held insane. But ultimately faded away because they were a tick slower. For nose riding it might be the ticket.

Aloha Warren,

The benefits would be felt anytime you executed an abrupt change of direction on a wave, as well as generating increased speed in trim.      The function is much like a leading edge wing slot, on an aircraft, or the jib on a sailboat.       In nature, it is similar in function, to the Alula on a bird’s wing.      In all cases it improves flow on the main foil, at higher AoA’s, preventing stalls and loss of speed.     Chest to head high may well be the best functional range, simply because more extreme maneuvers are attempted in that size of waves.  

Makes good sense Bill… sounds really interesting

your explanations always lead me to the internet to search stuff out so I can learn something more… Alula on a bird’s wing

Aloha,

Warren

     Let me know when, and I’ll make it possible.    

I’m probably going to make a fin to try this out.  I’ve been doing a smaller trailing fin in my traditional style single fin longboards, and love the extra hold and speed in certain sections of the wave.

 

Have you  determined  the ideal distance to have between the fins?.  I found with a smaller trailer, 2 5/8" to 2 7/8" separation feels best to me.

     For a pre-fin, I want a space of at least 5/8th to3/4th inch between the trailing edge of the pre-fin, and the leading edge of the main fin.       I don’t have any experience with trailing fins, so can not comment.