Howzit Leslie, I use GoJo and it takes epoxy off with no problem. First, when you use hand cleaner never use water first,it make s the hand cleaner not work as well and don’t let the epoxy harden before using it. Aloha,Kokua
Best tip yet is to wear disposal gloves and toss in trash when finished!!
Hey Greg this is Josh…
When the shipment of RR finally arrived I busted into a management meeting with a box of Additive F held aloft victoriously.
Remember that board I was about to airbrush when you were here? - I had held out on glassing it pending the arrival of the shipment of RR and I had said “…if its not here this week I will just glass the damn thing…”
So now my board and a couple for Kelly are the first off the bat laminated with RR in Australia.
Its beautiful stuff.
I’ve worked with others:- West System, ADR, Spies hecker, Araldite, botecote, Nuplex etc etc…Piss yellow stuff that smells like dead cattle.
The Americans who have had access to RR all along have had it too easy.
And now I ask why all the naysayers resisting the change to Epoxy have had a problem, coz RR is SO CLEAR!!!
But we have set a precedent:- Now we can get both sides of a board laminated on the same day. I.e a flip time of a few hours instead of 24. A minimum impact change for those laminators hankering for the poo-lyester timeframes of old…
Nev likes this!! He’s turning the screws a little more with every time precedent set…
Gratefully Greg, I can say that your product meets all claims.
Speedneedle
no more BULLSHIT!!! please …
ive used epoxy solidly for 15 years , never had a problem , some staff ive had did develop some skin problems , but those same guys couldnt use dishwashing liquid either , so had a predisposition to skin disorders …
RR is without a doubt the best resin ive used , and at the risk of sounding like a hard sell , i reallty mean it , even tho ive been an epoxy user for all these years , man , was i doing it tough …
polyester resins takes my breath away , downright stinks out the whole area , i can be driving down the road and smell another surfboard factory 1/4 mile away …
the stuff stinks , burns your skin if you spill it on you , the list goes on …
let it go dude …
we dont mind if you continue to use the stuff , just dont come in here with comments that are blatant smear …
regards
BERT
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There needs to be more research into Resin Research and other epoxy resins. The media also needs to do a little research into their articles before they tell the general public how you can work with this stuff without a mask because it smells like peanut butter and has no oder! I'm open minded, that is why I'm experimenting with it, but lets be truthfull about it, not misleading!
Exactly. Let’s be truthful, not misleading.
Working with wet RR epoxy there is no need for any mask, respirator or other. All you need is gloves. You clean and prep surfaces with denatured or rubbing alcohol, clean your tools with denatured or rubbing alcohol, and clean your hands with soap and water. Vinyl or nitrile disposable gloves ALWAYS. No problems.
Wear a dust mask when sanding, and wash all exposed skin surfaces after you are done sanding. ALL EXPOSED SKIN SURFACES.
And the next time someone says they’ve been having problems with RR epoxy, PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THESE SIMPLE RULES OR NOT.
The rub of all this is that the styrene and acetone in polyester resin both cause widespread long-term problems in the same glasser, but they ignore it until they get some rare form of esophageal cancer at age 61. But they can get a rash the next day with epoxy, and it is like the sky is falling.
hi josh, ive been using fiberglass hawaii epoxy from burfords for a couple years, i can get both sides lam done and fillercoated with epoxy in one day… it has an additive like “f” that helps with the sandability too.
its been availav\ble here for nearly 2 years, how come you guys havent tried it?
Josh, Bert … thanks.
I hope your saving me a little space in the new facility for RR. We need to get that set up there.
Best tip yet is to wear disposal gloves and toss in trash when finished!!
Hey Greg this is Josh…
When the shipment of RR finally arrived I busted into a management meeting with a box of Additive F held aloft victoriously.
Remember that board I was about to airbrush when you were here? - I had held out on glassing it pending the arrival of the shipment of RR and I had said “…if its not here this week I will just glass the damn thing…”
So now my board and a couple for Kelly are the first off the bat laminated with RR in Australia.
Its beautiful stuff.
I’ve worked with others:- West System, ADR, Spies hecker, Araldite, botecote, Nuplex etc etc…Piss yellow stuff that smells like dead cattle.
The Americans who have had access to RR all along have had it too easy.
And now I ask why all the naysayers resisting the change to Epoxy have had a problem, coz RR is SO CLEAR!!!
But we have set a precedent:- Now we can get both sides of a board laminated on the same day. I.e a flip time of a few hours instead of 24. A minimum impact change for those laminators hankering for the poo-lyester timeframes of old…
Nev likes this!! He’s turning the screws a little more with every time precedent set…
Gratefully Greg, I can say that your product meets all claims.
Speedneedle
no more BULLSHIT!!! please …
ive used epoxy solidly for 15 years , never had a problem , some staff ive had did develop some skin problems , but those same guys couldnt use dishwashing liquid either , so had a predisposition to skin disorders …
RR is without a doubt the best resin ive used , and at the risk of sounding like a hard sell , i reallty mean it , even tho ive been an epoxy user for all these years , man , was i doing it tough …
polyester resins takes my breath away , downright stinks out the whole area , i can be driving down the road and smell another surfboard factory 1/4 mile away …
the stuff stinks , burns your skin if you spill it on you , the list goes on …
let it go dude …
we dont mind if you continue to use the stuff , just dont come in here with comments that are blatant smear …
regards
BERT
Quote:
There needs to be more research into Resin Research and other epoxy resins. The media also needs to do a little research into their articles before they tell the general public how you can work with this stuff without a mask because it smells like peanut butter and has no oder! I'm open minded, that is why I'm experimenting with it, but lets be truthfull about it, not misleading!
Exactly. Let’s be truthful, not misleading.
Working with wet RR epoxy there is no need for any mask, respirator or other. All you need is gloves. You clean and prep surfaces with denatured or rubbing alcohol, clean your tools with denatured or rubbing alcohol, and clean your hands with soap and water. Vinyl or nitrile disposable gloves ALWAYS. No problems.
Wear a dust mask when sanding, and wash all exposed skin surfaces after you are done sanding. ALL EXPOSED SKIN SURFACES.
And the next time someone says they’ve been having problems with RR epoxy, PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THESE SIMPLE RULES OR NOT.
The rub of all this is that the styrene and acetone in polyester resin both cause widespread long-term problems in the same glasser, but they ignore it until they get some rare form of esophageal cancer at age 61. But they can get a rash the next day with epoxy, and it is like the sky is falling.
hi josh, ive been using fiberglass hawaii epoxy from burfords for a couple years, i can get both sides lam done and fillercoated with epoxy in one day… it has an additive like “f” that helps with the sandability too.
its been availav\ble here for nearly 2 years, how come you guys havent tried it?
Josh, Bert … thanks.
I hope your saving me a little space in the new facility for RR. We need to get that set up there.
Hey I’m a newbie but I have been working with epoxy for about 8 years and yes I have read the MSDS. The big misconception is that epoxy is harmless. Well if you read the Product Data the resin has a high flash point and is relatively safer than latex paint BUT the hardener is corrosive and def. a harmful product. That could be what your employees are having a reaction to… We use latex gloves and goggles when mixing… Another turn off is bad mixes (mixing the wrong resin to hardener ratios) always put your hardener in first… sounds elementary but believe me it is not at all forgiving like Polester Resin with regards to mixing ratios… Over all I like it cuz the odor is a lot less but I don’t like the curing times… You get spoiled with Polyester Resin and how fast it sets up.
Good luck and always wear your protective gear.
I can get poly lam and hot both sides in 45 minutes…I like epoxy but it takes forever to get a board done
There seems to be a big response from my first post! Not all positive, some really negative, and some mixed. I think a lot of people misunderstood my message. As stated I was merely trying to inform people who think epoxy is safe for the environment and non-toxic to know the truth. I’m not supporting nor denouncing epoxy or poly, was merely stating that it is a chemical, just like any other, it should be used correctly and safely. The proper clothing, respirator, gloves, etc. Just because it has no oder doesn’t mean there’s nothing being emitted during the gel time. When used incorrectly, cleaning tools with acetone without a respirator, no gloves, you could get sick and develope systemic allergic reactions and become desensitized. The same goes with any chemical or resin. Stated in an earlier post, just because it smells like peanut butter, doesn’t mean it’s safe to breath. If you have an allergy to peanuts, you have to take precautions, the same goes with epoxy! If Greg’s out there, I rode a 5’10" epoxy fish glassed with Resin Research, that Greg actually laminated in a demo in my glass shop, and it worked insane in 1-2ft slop. The next test will be in head high surf with some offshore. Still more research to be done. Next will be a quad shortboard with a 3/16 balsa stringer using 2.5 eps for max flex. The fish I rode this morning was Dan Foam stringerless, it flexed and felt like a poly,fast, snappy of the bottom, and top, and paddled insane! If I can duplcate the way that board feels in a shortboard, I think we’re onto something!
Here’s the real irony… and you can look it up for yourself. There’s tons of research proving this:
Aflatoxin is one of less than twenty KNOWN and PROVEN toxic chemicals regulated by federal agencies in the US. It is toxic in concentrations as low as 20 parts per BILLION. It is commonly found in… you guessed it…peanut butter!
Pass the Resin Research, please.
Sure wish I’d have known all the precautions about epoxy when I started working with West Systems and Systems III back in the early 80s. I always used acetone and lacquer thinner for cleanup. Never wore gloves. Hands often fully covered in it most of the day. Worked on three very large boat builds, sandwich hulls, vacuum bagged in the 80s and early 90s. Cleaning up with acetone more often than not. Used apple cider vinegar a bit but in conjunction with acetone or lacquer thinner at the end of the day. Grinding, laminating, grinding, laminating… Continued to work with it doing fabrication and repair unprotected till about eight years ago.
Thank God no problems yet.
But if your working with it these days, you should know better. Wear the proper safety gear, respirator, gloves, etc. and clean up properly. Work in sanding booths or use a down draft table for sanding etc.
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But if your working with it these days, you should know better. Wear the proper safety gear, respirator, gloves, etc. and clean up properly. Work in sanding booths or use a down draft table for sanding etc.
Same goes for Polyester or Vinylester, or polyurethane matrix as well.
I appreciate the oppritunity to state the rules to one and all again. For 25 years I’ve walked around the factory with epoxy, on my hands all day. I wear gloves but when your moving drums around all day guess what … they break. I’ve probably had more of the stuff on me that anyone and you know what? Never a problem. The molecular structure of our system is too large to get through your skin, It was explained to me long ago that if you don’t invite the stuff in it can’t get through your skin. At least not this system (I’m not speaking for anyone elses) Using solvents is inviting the stuff in. Long ago I realized that if we had solvents in our shop someone would abuse them. So we got rid of them. Since that time not one even small rash … nothing! It’s really about that simple. Respect the stuff and you’ll be safe. Gloves, ventilation, NO SOLVENTS. Dust masks when sanding and wash after work.