Funny how we area all connected one way or another. Are you doing Lua?
If I’m not mistaken, Alamoana is one of the early town rippers also known as Buzzy.
Mahalo to all for sharing. That’s how we will keep the past alive, the same way our kupuna did, by telling the stories over and over.
Howzit sharkcountry, I have always believed in spirits and still do, but when I got to Hawaii it was like they were so strong and I can't even begin to count the times I have gotten Chicken skin. I have seen and heard things that would scare non-believers and I have seen what the Night Marchers can do if you don't set your house up the right way and leave the doors open and it blew my mind a little for sure. I have tried to explain the hawaiian spirits to people who have never lived there or been a believer and they just laugh at me but I don't care because I have seen it and Kauai has a lot of it since it is the oldest island. Aloha,Kokua
yep Sharks, ass me,da guy, Buzzy; so true about keeping the oral history alive and well; we all got stories to share about our one hānau; surfing has shaped our lives and now we are elemakule we can pass on some of the good and bad times we had growing up; my surfing is about to take a radical turn when I finish up and start riding my mini simster, 5-10 X 23 X 2.75; but Iʻm open for some new experiences and this will sure be one; anyway, really happy to be talking story with so many like minded brothers and [sisters?]; probably wonʻt make the Aug. Sways Pāʻina but will be there in spirit; so kay den…catch you later…Manu Kapalulu
whooe, tis a wakening day…we started talking bout the past old surf days and huuuta, we are gearing up for the coming future… its like waiting for a new swell. mahalo braddas for your mana’o…cleigh use to express these thoughts when we lived in Ewa Beach before we left… EB was a good place to have grown up at, and actually all of oahu was a great place, but after the 60s Oahu started to get too thick for my likes…there is a lot of aloha for hawaiiana but to much other infulences that make it very difficult to live hawaiian there… on one of the earlier threads, someone said that alot of the crew has moved away from EB. kinda funny, it seems that most of the the guys posting on this thread are no longer in EB… where is the silent majority, and why are us that are posting still insitigating the past… i like to think that we can control our destiny to some extent…i don’t think i will ever enjoy the surf in Ewa Beach like i did in the past, but i know that what i learned in Ewa Beach surfing will always be with me and i can experiance the feeling at other places through out the world…the main thing surf with ALOHA, everyone wants a wave if they’re surfing, so why is it basiclly survival of the fittist in the line-up…no fun surfing when everyone trying to snake or drop-in on one another…i wonder how the old hawaiians delt with this…mo betta get one give one.
Mahalo, ike
whooe, tis a wakening day…we started talking bout the past old surf days and huuuta, we are gearing up for the coming future… its like waiting for a new swell. mahalo braddas for your mana’o…cleigh use to express these thoughts when we lived in Ewa Beach before we left… EB was a good place to have grown up at, and actually all of oahu was a great place, but after the 60s Oahu started to get too thick for my likes…there is a lot of aloha for hawaiiana but to much other infulences that make it very difficult to live hawaiian there… on one of the earlier threads, someone said that alot of the crew has moved away from EB. kinda funny, it seems that most of the the guys posting on this thread are no longer in EB… where is the silent majority, and why are us that are posting still insitigating the past… i like to think that we can control our destiny to some extent…i don’t think i will ever enjoy the surf in Ewa Beach like i did in the past, but i know that what i learned in Ewa Beach surfing will always be with me and i can experiance the feeling at other places through out the world…the main thing surf with ALOHA, everyone wants a wave if they’re surfing, so why is it basiclly survival of the fittist in the line-up…no fun surfing when everyone trying to snake or drop-in on one another…i wonder how the old hawaiians delt with this…mo betta get one give one.
Mahalo, ike
growing up in a small community at the end of a long two lane road thru the cane (ft Weaver) like EB was a good start
growing up on the beach amongst a hawaiian culture was the reinforcement
we lived and learned aloha
we lived and learned respect for one another in one way or another
the ocean is always the source of all life
and we were blessed to have her as our teacher, provider and playmate.
not many her can say that
and for that i will be forever thankful and honor her influence by living trying to always live witha bit of aloha no matter how difficult it is these days
the giant yellow ocean point loaders started digging up Haubush
for a paved parking lot and private beach park for the super rich of ocean point and ernie els golf community.
soon Sharkcountry through Johns will be no more
but i am grateful for the memories not many can say they have shared with this place before tha cane left,
No not currently. Besides my Dad I knew 3 other Lua practioners, Mr. Chang, Nanakuli, Uncle Wally Kamau, and Uncle David Nuuhiwa. I actually trained with Uncle Wally after bugging him for 2 years. Unfortunately I had to leave Arizona to come home due to family obilgations. Uncle David I met here on Maui. He would come home every year and somehow would find me. Uncle Nuuhiwa son is the famed surfer David Nuuhiwa. Uncle was the only man to enter 7death tournaments and win. It was presented in Karate Ilustrated back in the 60's. Todays Lua come out of Papa Kenn from Papakolea. Kaihewalu is another Lua practioner, his roots connect with prof. Chow and Ah Hoon. Chinese Kempo/Hawaiian Kempo. Hawaiian Kempo hid many Lua strikes and moves. It was banned and outlawed more than century ago. Harry Okazaki, the founder of Jiu Jitsu, learned Lua and to honor what he was taught he changed the joint locks and chokes to what we call today Ju Jitsu.
From what little I’ve seen and know, it seems the stuff was more Hawaiian Kempo. They were using sticks.
Back in the 70’s there was a filipino guy working at Foodland named Angel. He was supposed to be pretty good with one of the martial arts. Mr. Foo (Ewa Beach Bakery) was telling me about him one day when I went over to visit. Mr. Foo had Angel train Timmy and the brothers.
I think I saw that David’s dad died recently. My brother and I met the younger David in Huntington Beach in 1980 and he was so nice to us. Just full of aloha. I think we ran into him at the Chuck Dent shop.
I ordered Perpetuated in Righteousness and look forward to reading it.
Mahalo, Harry
Pololoi! Uncle David died recently. The sticks may have been part of Kajukempo (karate, judo, kempo, escrima). Founded by 5 different Hawaii martial artist back in the day (before my time). One of the 5, Master Emperado, incorporated escrima style fighting (Pinoy filipino stick fighting) into that system. Mike Gionson is very proficient in that style as was Nelson Owasay. Weapons are just an extention of our hands, feet, elbows, knees, head, shins, forearms,finghers,toes etc. I did my due dillgence with nunchuku back in the 70's along with the staff. I prefer the staff, Ihe (hawaiian short spear) and Maori Taiaha. Its long enough to keep your opponet at bay yet close enough for inside fighting. Good for multiple attacks if you are in to those things. Now days my fighting is in spiritual warfare. More effective, helps get people delivered restored and filled joy and eventually the Holy Spirit. Iesu Christo, Ka Haku o Na Haku ame Ke Alii o Na Alii. O Iesu ko'u Haku ame ko'u Alii
Mahalo nui loa, Ke Akua Pu
Shark Country will always be there. It's the access to SC that will be no more. No problem, I'll just stroll from my dads house between the Kauiho's and the Bacalso's. When all is complete, access to Shark Country, Haubush, Sand Track, and Johns will be through the road that leads into the Ocean Point community. The beginning of the unimproved road at Papipi and Pupu St. will be closed off to vehicular traffic for good. Only pedestrian traffic will be allowed as there will be a park of some sort where Papipi road ends. Time keeps on slippin, slippin, slippin into the future......remember that song? Aloha, M
As long as Seawall and baby seawall are there there is a way to get there. Just got to make adjustments and learn the inside reefs over there. We were spoiled by beachfront access and homes with ohana right there.
The problem will be that it won’t be the same once they provide easy access to a whole new group of people. I am already a non-local having moved out to town in 1981. I see familiar faces once in a while, but it’s not the same. The younger guys that surf there all the time are the locals, and they don’t know me. But when the older generation shows up we know that this was our home and the love we have for home is still as strong as ever.
I lived across Ala Moana Park from 1983 till 1998, surfed Courts, Big Lefts or Baby Haleiwa almost everyday for a long time. Just walk across the street and paddle out. I worked right across the park and I did quite a few years of night shift so I got a lot of water time in those years. I knew all the life guards and the older locals and found a spot in the pecking order. Now it’s been a while since I’ve left and the “local crew” are people that didn’t surf there much when I did. But like SC, I still feel like that is my backyard and I know that wave even better than I do SC because I don’t get home enough when she’s breaking.
Time moves on, things change, we get older. The aina, the ocean, they don’t change quite as fast or as much, unless we change them. The gang down Ewa Beach Road side are lucky that things haven’t changed as much as they have on the Shark Country/Haubush/Johns side.
Yep, time rolls on and a new crew replaces an old crew; if I was to paddle out to AlaMo on the next head high swell I would probably know no one, get dropped in on, snaked, bad vibed and generally ignored; he mea iki; I had my day in the sun there and caught it as good as it gets with some of the hottest dudes of that era; Iʻm happy to move on and let the ʻōpio take over; Iʻd rather surf with guys my age and hot surf bunnies anyway; more fun!!!
Ala Moana, I prefer surfing with the old guys between 10 and noon any day. They know how to live, share, enjoy and have a good time. I always love going out midday on a weekday and seeing guys from 20+ years ago. We catch up with what’s happening in our lives and enjoy seeing each other.
Always ask “you want this one?” when the waves start coming in. Usually hear “nah, you go, I’ll get the next one” from someone. Or “you want to go right or left?” don’t hear the young guys asking that.
Another thing is that when us old guys go, we usually ride all the way through, and it take’s time to get back out. So different from the younger generation.
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From what little I've seen and know, it seems the stuff was more Hawaiian Kempo. They were using sticks.
Back in the 70's there was a filipino guy working at Foodland named Angel. He was supposed to be pretty good with one of the martial arts. Mr. Foo (Ewa Beach Bakery) was telling me about him one day when I went over to visit. Mr. Foo had Angel train Timmy and the brothers.
I think I saw that David's dad died recently. My brother and I met the younger David in Huntington Beach in 1980 and he was so nice to us. Just full of aloha. I think we ran into him at the Chuck Dent shop.
I ordered Perpetuated in Righteousness and look forward to reading it.
Mahalo, Harry
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do any of you folks remember Peter Paul Abiva? longtime kenpo practitioner, surfer, musician and all around good guy!
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yep Sharks, ass me,da guy, Buzzy; so true about keeping the oral history alive and well; we all got stories to share about our one hānau; surfing has shaped our lives and now we are elemakule we can pass on some of the good and bad times we had growing up; my surfing is about to take a radical turn when I finish up and start riding my mini simster, 5-10 X 23 X 2.75; but Iʻm open for some new experiences and this will sure be one; anyway, really happy to be talking story with so many like minded brothers and [sisters?]; probably wonʻt make the Aug. Sways Pāʻina but will be there in spirit; so kay den..catch you later......Manu Kapalulu
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bra, that mini simmons sounds nuts!! you going post up some pics of the finished product? give us a ride report? im kinda thinking about making one too so id be interested to hear how she goes.
~~Ahui'hou!
E Buzz! let me me know when u going launch dat board. Thinking about getting one short board again but not that short. Surfed wit smooth 2 weeks ago at Olowalu. Was fun.
Ke Akua Pu!
Cleigh
Just a little comment on last post. My familyy was the caretakers for Sonny Cordes Place from 1957-1965. The Roxburg family had the lease before Ted Farm was there. Me and brothers spent our childhood surfing and fishing there. My Tutu used to pick up He’e along the shoreline. I don’t remember you, please keep me posted. Aloha Tom Phillips.
Hozzit Harry! great reminicing bout EB, EL, SC. By the Time you saw Cal and I was probably in the 70's. He was at Kammehameha and I had jus been home a few years from Arizona. when I grew up in EB all of EB thru Cambells was our stomping ground. Remember Doug Kingsley Norman Nauka and myself would paddle from EL to SC, Coves to O Beach (White Plains). On the wayback it got dark so we left our boards at Nelson Kangs house and walked home. Musta been around 63-64. I also remember camping at SC at the Beach House that the Phillips to watch. (some crazy parties). Rick, Tommy oldest brother and I were classmates at Kamehameha. Vinny Brian (original EBSC member with Moodys, Sadowskis etc.) would always grab me to take me there when town was big (didn't have license). George, Rick, Mel,and a host of others would come over from EB Estates, Leeward Estates and EBR and hang out at my house even when I wasn't there. Occaisionally my Kamehemeha friends would come too, but not many surfed at Kamehameha then neither did they realise that I surfed.Mostly thought I was a Football guy and scrapper. Anyway GK, MB, RP were instrumental in getting me back to surfing. I remember that first summer I was home 1969 I asked my brother how come everyone surfing stand up on paipo boards. fast forward to SC.I remember Dave Cueva saying how some of the youger guys were being territorial. Kou mana'o, I said maybe they need to be taught manners. Guess when I was surfing as a kid it was real small. Most everyone who surfed eventually belonged to EBSC so we got to know each other. Back then the demarcation line was Ewa. Not many of the Ewa, Honouliuli guys surfed, Joe and Payton Siliado,Lino were the ones I remember, Gilbert Dano and Dudoung later. My attitude then was, I like see you kick me out, cause 1) I from here EB 2) I can surf good 3) wheres the respect and 4) I can kick ass so no go dare. Most importantly, if people really got to know me (ask Issac and Mel guys) I could become your good friend. But that was a loooooooong time ago. This is kinda funny now but I remember Kevin Johns, always introducing me as his Hawaiian friend. I didn't have a clue. This would happen at North Shore, Town, Malalapa Parties, Foster Villiage, and even Makaha. As I said I didn't have a clue. I did save him more then a few times. My age then 13-14. Obviously when I was older I figured it out . By then Kevin had moved to Maui. Like I said in an earlier post we were kids who lived at the end of the road.
Mahalo ame ka Ha'aha'a
Cleigh
Hozzit Harry! great reminicing bout EB, EL, SC. By the Time you saw Cal and I was probably in the 70's. He was at Kammehameha and I had jus been home a few years from Arizona. when I grew up in EB all of EB thru Cambells was our stomping ground. Remember Doug Kingsley Norman Nauka and myself would paddle from EL to SC, Coves to O Beach (White Plains). On the wayback it got dark so we left our boards at Nelson Kangs house and walked home. Musta been around 63-64. I also remember camping at SC at the Beach House that the Phillips to watch. (some crazy parties). Rick, Tommy oldest brother and I were classmates at Kamehameha. Vinny Brian (original EBSC member with Moodys, Sadowskis etc.) would always grab me to take me there when town was big (didn't have license). George, Rick, Mel,and a host of others would come over from EB Estates, Leeward Estates and EBR and hang out at my house even when I wasn't there. Occaisionally my Kamehemeha friends would come too, but not many surfed at Kamehameha then neither did they realise that I surfed.Mostly thought I was a Football guy and scrapper. Anyway GK, MB, RP were instrumental in getting me back to surfing. I remember that first summer I was home 1969 I asked my brother how come everyone surfing stand up on paipo boards. fast forward to SC.I remember Dave Cueva saying how some of the youger guys were being territorial. Kou mana'o, I said maybe they need to be taught manners. Guess when I was surfing as a kid it was real small. Most everyone who surfed eventually belonged to EBSC so we got to know each other. Back then the demarcation line was Ewa. Not many of the Ewa, Honouliuli guys surfed, Joe and Payton Siliado,Lino were the ones I remember, Gilbert Dano and Dudoung later. My attitude then was, I like see you kick me out, cause 1) I from here EB 2) I can surf good 3) wheres the respect and 4) I can kick ass so no go dare. Most importantly, if people really got to know me (ask Issac and Mel guys) I could become your good friend. But that was a loooooooong time ago. This is kinda funny now but I remember Kevin Johns, always introducing me as his Hawaiian friend. I didn't have a clue. This would happen at North Shore, Town, Malalapa Parties, Foster Villiage, and even Makaha. As I said I didn't have a clue. I did save him more then a few times. My age then 13-14. Obviously when I was older I figured it out . By then Kevin had moved to Maui. Like I said in an earlier post we were kids who lived at the end of the road.
Mahalo ame ka Ha'aha'a
Cleigh