Hi folks, think the answer to this will be "not ideal" or "nope" but wanted some advice just as a double check. If I have a traditional keel fish made for me - flat to v bottom and chunky rails etc, if later down the line I took off the keels and put in a quad set up will it work?
sure it will work. they all work. you might even like it better. not trying to be a smartass... have you looked at Afoaf's Assymetrical Experimental?
Interesting you say that because a couple of surfers suggested to me that the hull shape and rails would need to be tweaked to suit a quad set up eg another board!
no matter what they say, in the end it’ll be your experience of the board in both setups that will decide how it’ll end up. no harm in testing ideas in actual conditions, with a lot to learn from the exercise overall
cheers,
everything works it just depends on how well....I ride my fish with no fins, some small ones sometimes and have tried several diff sets, they all work, but some feel much better...go forth and experiment mate, its fun and you learn about boards and design....
without naming who shaped the fish 'cause i mean no disrespect to them but, what do you think the chances are that they got the fin setup %100 "right" for that board? like the best it could possibly be? maybe you don't know what you're missing? just saying
Just try it. We're all different, and what suits one, might not suit another.
Well, boadd isn;t shaped yet but looking at glassed on keels first off for that all round traditional look/feel. But then I keep thinking about quad set ups.....darn confusing.
There are keels and then there are keels. As in, single foiled vs double foiled. I think another crucial factor is whether you want to surf the board like a fish or surf it like a shortboard.
If you’re getting single foiled keels and you decide to move on, one thing you could try before taking the keels off is an intermediate step. You can glass on a small leader fin to create a twinzer+keel combo. I use that setup on my fish and FOR ME it’s perfect. You get all the positives of the keel with none of the negatives. The leader fin at the increased cant helps initiate the turns a little quicker and they actually make the keels feel a little more drivey. They take all the drama out of surfing a keel on your backhand.
Different strokes.
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There are keels and then there are keels. As in, single foiled vs double foiled. I think another crucial factor is whether you want to surf the board like a fish or surf it like a shortboard.
If you're getting single foiled keels and you decide to move on, one thing you could try before taking the keels off is an intermediate step. You can glass on a small leader fin to create a twinzer+keel combo. I use that setup on my fish and *FOR ME* it's perfect. You get all the positives of the keel with none of the negatives. The leader fin at the increased cant helps initiate the turns a little quicker and they actually make the keels feel a little more drivey. They take all the drama out of surfing a keel on your backhand.
Different strokes.
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That's an interesting idea.....might try that later down the line. Thanks
Unless you are really dialed-in on fins and placement or are working with a shaper who is dead on with fins and placements specifically for you; go with multiple adjustable boxes. You've probably read it a hundred times if you been around Sway's very long but a fin and placement can ruin or make a board.
The only down-side on using boxes is $$ and a somewhat flexible connection (especially with keels). To me, these factors pale in the face of the positives...There are a bunch of really good systems out there but I like the Pro Boxes because of the cant and fore-aft adjustments you can make with them. You'll be shocked at how much a change of 2-degrees of cant can make...
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''...and put in a quad set up will it work?''
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Yes.
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''...and put in a quad set up will it work?''
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Bill - I like your the point reply! A shaper told me that on a traditional fish built which would usually have keels on it, it might be more difficult to engage the tail/rails if I put a quad set up it. It might not match the type of rail normally associated with an quad which can be surfed more aggressively. Any thoughts on that?