Fins for Micro Turtle

Who can help me with suggestions for a fin setup

for this new board.

For details check:

http://www.swaylocks.com/resources/detail_page.cgi?ID=2041&d=1

This is a quad setup with 4 3/4" front’s and 2"symmetrical rear’s

I also tried this setup:

These are my standard fat 5" fronts and symmetrical 3.5" rears.

It gave a little improvement in drive but I still miss that real speed I got from the previous board.

I feel with some big twins, 6 to 7", there could be something happening.

Or maybe a quad setup with bigger rear fins, but I think the rear side boxes are to close to the tail.

I would love to get some thoughts from everybody here.

Thanks in advance

Soul

More pics and reports come with the next swell!

I was looking at that new board on the Sways homepage and thinking you were gonna be challenged by the short radius curve of the rail and I wondered how it would perform–you would need big fast fins for most of your drive, it seems

Although on second look, you have a FLAT rocker, so you get trim from that, and turning release from your rail curve

What’s the question exactly? You need more trim drive? If that’s it I think slightly bigger rears or the 3 across would do it.

I like your new 6’6" too Sjoerd

Sorry for the bad question, The real one is:

Is there something I can do with the fins to give this board more trim speed?

When surfed from rail to rail it’s fast enough.

I don’t want to change the board before I tried all fin options.

Who has a good idea???!

Hi Janklow, these are in the making, 6" fish style.

For now I will try FCS TF1 carbon fins, the biggest I have.

Thanks, Soul

Hey soulnpower,

Do you know how much toe-in you have? My guess is the amount of toe-in combined with the larger area fins (front ones pictured on the board) is the factor(s) affecting your trim speed the most.

Since you don’t want to change the board, my suggestion would be to use a fin in the center plugs, symmetrical foil and of an area similar to larger front fins. Switch the larger fronts with smaller area fins, sort of like a 2+1 setup, and try the smaller fins in both sets of side plugs to see which gives you the most trim speed.

Or, if you can, use fins with less cant on the sides. When you trim forward, cant+toe can act sort of like trawler net planes (otter boards) to slow you down.

Or just see how it works as a single…

Either way, let us know what works!

JSS

Hi Maxmercy,

You’ve got a point there,

There is a lot of tow-in on the front fins and a lot of cant.

Today I tried the second setup with a G5 carbon centerfin.

Trimspeed improved at the cost of easy turning.

Next step will be a thruster setup.

If that doesn’t work I am gonna make a bigger centerfin, 5.5" or 6".

I have a set of spare boxes if that isn’t gonna work.

This is going to be an interesting experiment!

All week there will be waves over here.

I’ll report back.

Sjoerd

Sjoerd

is that a heavy board? does it float?

: )

Yo mate,

Please don’t sneeze,

You"ll blow the board away,

Next thing I’m gonna put on it is an anchor…

So I can lay in the sun waiting for the next wave.

:wink:

Soul

Hi Maxmercy,

A good little swell yesterday, 3ft clean point break, got me some new insight. I put in a quad setup with FCS TF1 carbon fins front(the old stiff ones) and sym. 3.5" rears.

Trim speed improved, but only on real steep faces, but when I started pumping the board like a thruster it started moving. I think the short rockered rails are working against the glide. But they are great in full on twinfin turns. I even got a nice hangfive on this one on an inside face building up again. It is a special board that will take a lot of adaption to learn to ride, but I can learn a lot of new technique from this one. It will be a good test platform for fin development. Its specialty are smaller waves with clean steep faces.

More to come

Soul

Hi Soul,

there isnt enough info (your weight waves etc) to make a good proper advisement, but what Ive realized is that a center fin will do a couple of things; stabilize the fin setups response rail to rail an add more thruster style drive as compared to a quad. If you have the capability, make three similar sized fins for the back, about 3.25" and mostly stiff. Preferrably made of solid fiberglass. The sides single foiled, the center double foiled.

If the ride feels too solid and stiff without enough release, bump down the size of the center fin by 10-20%. Thats one of the beauty’s of fg fins…you can tweak them down in size, but you need proper rotating disc sanding tools.

Dont know if this will go better for you and your board, but it works really well for me. HTH.

yesterday’s setup

Hi Craftee,

Thank you for your reaction, my weight is 187# and my height is 6’4".

The waves I surf are best compared to the Eastcoast, except for the hurricane swells.

Biggest we get is DOH and that is exceptional.

With 3 same size 3.5" sym. fins

with 3" in the middle

The setup I try next, swell allowing…

This is with my trusted 5"sidefin, it gives me best hold in the face because its controled twist and no flex.

It is molded carbon with reinforced foam core, it can be as stiff as FG.

The little ones are molded also but with foam or hollow cores with reinforcement.

I hate making FG fins because of the dust, it’s not good for me and my family.

That is why I started molding and now I found out the other advantages of this method.

It is possible to engineer the flex in a fixed fin shape.

Unlimited possibilities!!!

Now I am working on the asymmetrical side fins.

That will take some time.

I keep everybody informed on the next test, I hope very soon.

Soul

Hey soul,

Would you mind showing us sometime how you mold your fins? That sounds pretty interesting…

JSS

looks like a lot of toe in on your fronts. but that may be the picture. Have you tried twin? Like the MR-TFX?

Hi Dave,

Yes they have quite a lot of tow in, but it is on the limit of workable.

I want to get a bigger single fin for FCS like Maxmercy said and try that too.

I still have a spare set of FCS boxes, but I want to keep that till it’s really necessary.

The board turns so very good and hangs really well high in the face.

It will never be a all round board but it has its niche.

New FCS are off budget for me, but I’m working on 2 sets of twins.

Soul

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Hey soul,

Would you mind showing us sometime how you mold your fins? That sounds pretty interesting…

JSS

Maxmercy , I dunno about soulnpowers molding technique but Im molding 3" fins on the ‘Sidebites for sidefins.’ thread. Theres little grinding involved and its a clean process.

My technique is from making dental and medical implants so its accurate but really simple and adjustable. All you need is a bit of know-how.

You could easily make copies of your favourite FCS or Futures fins and copy or personalise them,not that I’d do anything like that.

Or make your own designs.

I can PM a step by step or send pix ?

But I’m keen to see how soulnpower does it too.

Regards, SF

Hi Surffoils,

You got me interested too, I work with epoxy molds, it took me a few years to get the technique figured out,

Dentist materials are a good idea too, but do you get this finish from the mold?

Check the result:

Straight from the mold, the small fin is already cut out.

Visual effects from paint and tints.

Soul

Soul, check your PM’s.

SF

hi again mate

about the only thing i have discovered in all my mucking around with fin combinations is …

beware having too much fin

cheers

ben

Thanks mate,

You’ve got a point, if this feels too stiff, I’ll down size the front fins.

Going back to 4.75".

Please let there be some decent waves again…

Soul