First plywood Keel Fins

Here are some pics of my first go at foiling fins.

At first it was a bit harder than I thought but in the end they turned out better than I expected.

If I was more experienced I probably should foil them a bit more but I think if i go any further on the

wood I will wreck them. I’ll fine tune them a bit more after glassing.

These are for my EPS that I shaped a few months ago. I don’t get much free time to dedicate to this

project so it’s taking a very long time. I now have my epoxy resin and cloth ready so the next step

is to glass. I think i’ll do the fins before the board for practise working with the resin.

Cheers, JD.

Aloha and Wow,

thats good work there , all my atempts have been rubbish, i made a glass panel and recently purchased a sander/polisher…

But my currage fails me.

Good luck with the glassing, i find it the most challenging thing about board building, but strangely the most rewarding - apart from surfing my work of course.

Thats the trip :slight_smile:

Nice fins JD. They look great. I’m in the process of making keels for my fish which i am yet to glass. What thickness ply did you use? Im using 9 mm (3/8") and 12 mm (1/2") and have found that using a flap disc on a small grinder i can foil the fins in no time. Also, i too had trouble with the very thin leading edge as the slightest bump or knock tended to snap little peices off the edge. I might leave the fine stuff till last after i properly foiled etc.

Good one and keep up the good work

Ado

good on ya jd

aido , do you have any photos of your new keels , please ?

cheers !

 ben
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Nice fins JD. They look great. I’m in the process of making keels for my fish which i am yet to glass. What thickness ply did you use? Im using 9 mm (3/8") and 12 mm (1/2") and have found that using a flap disc on a small grinder i can foil the fins in no time. Also, i too had trouble with the very thin leading edge as the slightest bump or knock tended to snap little peices off the edge. I might leave the fine stuff till last after i properly foiled etc.

Good one and keep up the good work

Ado

I agree nicely done.

Here’s a tip for those fine trailing edges: instead of using one piece of ply, use two thin pieces epoxied together, with the epoxy glue line right where you want your trailing edge to be. The epoxy glue line will take a nice fine edge (provided that you have a reasonable amount of glue in there) . . . this method also works for asymmetrically double foiled fins. . .just use a thinner ply on one side than the other.

Oh, just BTW, if that’s Meranti marine ply or similar it’s quite tricky to foil . . . kind of prone to splitting and hard to do accurately, Australian Hoop pine or Paulownia is easier.

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Of course if your fins are flat on the inside my idea doesn’t work

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I’m not sure how thick the Ply is. I think it is 9mm. I’ll check tomorrow.

What I did was I did a rough cut out of the shape ( times 2 ) with a bit of excess left over along the base.

I then nailed the 2 pieces together at the excess base bit.

I clamped my belt sander upside down in my workbench and then foiled both sides as though it was a single fin.

When finished I separated them and cut off the excess piece.

I thick doing it this way makes it easier to get both fins looking symetrical.

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What I did was I did a rough cut out of the shape ( times 2 ) with a bit of excess left over along the base.

I then nailed the 2 pieces together at the excess base bit.

I clamped my belt sander upside down in my workbench and then foiled both sides as though it was a single fin.

When finished I separated them and cut off the excess piece.

Now THAT , is the devil of a good idea ! .

Stoked to see your avatar, used to have that poster on my wall (Peers Pittard at J Bay?) what an amazing bottom turn !

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double sided tape works to that is how my shop teacher told us to make symetrical pieces. and Roy you technique could work for flat inside foils, pt the epoxy on and just don’t put on any other wood.

Nice fins, Jhogg. Now you will have to build the board for them. Or, is it built? Mike

Very nice… and don’t forget that when you glass them you’ll have a glass perimiter around the outside template of the fin.

This will give you the chance to fine out the trailing edge as you suggested.

-Cam

Thanks Cam.

I was going to follow the guidelines as per Bert Burgers making wooden fins post.

Thanks for reminding me though as I don’t have any fibreglass rope for the perimetre.

I’ll have to get some.

Cheers,

JD

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I was going to follow the guidelines as per Bert Burgers making wooden fins post.

No probs,

If you’re using Bert’s method, you’re on a good path - this is the technique I use and it works well.

One tip - this is in Bert’s instructions, but I’m kinda underlining it here as it is an important step:

  • When the first side of your fin lam is cured and you turn it over to do the other side, make sure you give the second side a good sand before laminating. This ensures that you get a good bond between the ply and the lam and also a good bond on the lam to the glass perimeter. (Don’t sand to much though, you don’t want to change the foil of the fin)

-Cam

yep, nice keels you got going there. i look forward to seeing them glassed, with a clear halo.

I forgot to ask …

how deep are they ?

and what length base , and how much rake do those keels have please , JD ?

cheers mate !

   ben

This is #1 with ply keels. I clamped 'em together and used a sanding disk in a pillar drill. My ply was thinner than 9mm though, and the first time I got lots of chips out of the leading edge So I rotated the grain 90 deg for this attempt.

Erm. If you rotated them by 90 degrees, didn’t that make them very fat, extremely short and with loads of drag?

Only kidding Stabba. Have you posted piccies of the fish in the resources section yet?

Nope, I’ve only just worked out how to do the photo thing. I’ll give it a whizz later.

Forgot to say that I glassed em onto a sheet of glass with no release agent and had to smash the glass then scrape all the shards off the back of the keels with a wallpaper scraper. Harder than I thought.

Hi Ben.

They are 135mm deep and the base is 225mm. Thats just the wood before glassing.

Expect these measurments to increase if the halo works out when I glass them.

Sorry I don’t know how to measure the rake.

adious.

JD