For the guys in hawaii, What is the....

Hi Guys,

My question is, ‘‘What is the largest board you would be comfortable riding Pipeline, when it’s breaking in the 6 to 10 foot range?’’ There is a reason I ask, because I’m giving consideration to a project. No, not a board ‘‘designed’’ for Pipe’, but an all around design for Hawaiian waves in general. A concept I’ve given thought to on, and off, for some time. I’m curious about your thinking, as it relates to size. Yes, it will probably be a twin fin. I’m leaning toward a board 7’ 10’’ long, however I value your comments, and look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thank you.

8-1 pin(rpt)

And,Yes you can go longer but at my wt.= 135# and ht.= 5’8" why waste my time.

Spitzer Supercharged tri-fin set-up is my preference these days.

With a longer board it’s about early entry…or it’s about a quick peril dive.

In the days of old, SMALL pipe under 10’, I usually rode btwn 6-7 and 7-4,…singlefins.

6-9 x 19 being my favorite size for smaller stuff.

It was a good balance of float/paddle/quickness for overall Hawaii.

Herb

ps…Got your message after my snooze…neat stuff !

Howzit Herb, My board for Pipe that size was a 7’8" diamond tail and it worked really good plus it had a little more thickness to get in early. Best advise I ever got was to take an extra 3 or 4 paddle strokes down the face to make sure you got in and not pitched.Aloha,Kokua

Mike,

I had a nice 7-4 x 19-1/4 diamondtail by Rich Parr …back in 75.

Single fin…sharp corners and tip…but a shallow tail tip past the corners…like 1" or so.

It was really progressive in shape ,even by today’s standard.

Never rode it at Pipe ,but it would have performed well there.

I did however ride it at Makaha and mostly Yoks…

Yoks foot for foot is just as mean as pipe ,maybe even a bit more thumpy at times.

It performed well there.

I killed that board in town on a big south…wipedout at the bowl/AlaMo and the board went in all the way to the barrier wall.

My shapes todate ,in that category of designs,is patterned after that very board,and they all perform well.

Herb

Howzit Herb, I glassed for Rich Parr for a while in 71', but the working conditions in his shop (above the retail sales area) were really bad on top of driving from the North Shore every day. Do you know who shaped the board. I know Rick Irons was one of his shapers when I was glassing for him. Rich was not a happy camper when I quit. I agree about Yoks it was an insane wave that could whip your okole. You are the kind of surfer who knows what works, there's so many guys out there that don't have that going for them. Good to hear from you. Aloha,Kokua

Here’s Double-D’s Pipe board:

haha… actually this 12’ gun was made for a big boy - 6’5", 235lbs - that paddles into Jaws. Consider fitting that into the barrel at Pipe… then add a foot and a generous helping of wankyness and consider that :0 No thanks!!!

I’ll take something like this thank you:

Lotsa newbies would say “6’4” max since Kelly’s performance, but maybe they haven’t surfed there very often.

My best two were 7’4" x 19 rounded pin winged single and 8’6" x 20 single rounded pin for 2nd reef only. You need to get in early out there, so big board.

Brought a full set of 3 Pipe boards over in winter ‘78, all twin fins, from 7’ to 8’6", but never rode good Pipe with any of them, so can’t say. But the 2 smaller worked really well at Jockos and 7th Hole.

Mobility out in the lineup is key in my book, just sitting inside hoping for someone outside to give you a wave is NOT the call.

Always late drops, but paddle speed and acceleration gets you in consistently…go thicker if you must to achieve acceleration.

You can’t really duck the white there, so thin boards are pretty much sitting ducks out there.

Yeah, yeah, I know, Kelly won with a shorty, but floaty and wide-y.

I we aina kelly.

Kendall,

You had me really going there for a moment. Glad to see that your humor is intact. One foot more, on that board, is hard to imagine. YIKES!

6’3" to 6’6" is average with today’s surfers.

7’2" to 7’10" for the old schoolers.

Hah…

Nice big board too…

I currently have a 8’ version of dat Plumeria, x 19.5, same color, but clear deck with black pinstripe. It’s a Kaui semi with double concaves out the back, and not the best for deepwater outer reef surf. Nice snap and thrust, best for slightly ripply offshore winds and 7-11’ surf.

Wilddog !

It was shaped by Irons…and was a red tint bottom and rails with a orange tint inlay…white and black pinlines around the gap btwn the inlay and rail.

It was built in like 70-72…do you remember glassing a board like I have described ?

Was a superior glass job,concidering some of the stuff I use to see back then.

It had a few dings when I got it ,but nothing I couldn’t fix…oh ya …glass-on single rakey like 5.5"base by 9" length…very Downing inspired fin.Some would say it was a ugly green tint fin but to my best recall …it was volan clear.

Got that board for fixing a few dings brought to me from Rich…One of the boards I fixed was Buff’s favorite all-a-rounder.I did a extra clean job on that particular stick,and received several compliments on the job.

Man ,times flies…(for guys like us…it…maybe all behind us now)…but I’m still vertical and am not going quietly !

Been… (health wise doing excellently,and am getting back all my energy)…great !

Hope you had a great Christmas and wish you and everyone here a fantastic New Years !

Herb

Howzit Herb, Wow I might have done that board, the time frame is right and I did do inlays for Rich. He wasn’t really into inlays unless they were a custom order since he had to pay me more $ and took extra time. I didn’t do the gloss work for Rich and can’t remember who was since the glosser came in at night when the temperture was a little lower and less traffic on Queen St where the shop was. Rich had the windows covered with cheese cloth and that cut down the air flow which was great for the glosser but a nightmare for the laminator. I would come out of the shop reeling from the fumes ( we don’t need no respirators )and heat and would go get beer for the ride home. After that I set up a small glassing area at my house on Ke iki rd and only did oards for friends and myself, went surfing to much to get real serious plus I was making insane $ waiting tables at the Black Angu restaurant on Kuhio Ave. Those were such great times, not to crowded and the North Shore had lots of soul. To think I may have glassed a board that you owned would almost be considered cosmic to me.Aloha,Wildog

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6’3" to 6’6" is average with today’s surfers.

7’2" to 7’10" for the old schoolers.

Kalani Chapman, Sunny Garcia and Shane Dorian all ride boards over 7"0" out there.

But your point is well taken.

Bill, I’d say if your going 7’10", why not just make it a sweet 8’0".

Seems like a length that you could ride anything on.

I had a 7’6 Bushman that went great at Pipe.

9’0" Chapman for 2nd reef.

Steve

The comment was 6 - 10. That’s when it’s fun!

Back in 77 - 82 Live across the street from Rick Irons at Rock Point after living at VLand at the White Apartments on the beach Below Alex Cooke.

Surfed Pipe a lot. I rode 6’0" x 18 1/4 x 2 1/4" pin tail single fin shaped by Jon Damm. No Leash.

6’9" x 19" x 2 1/2" Brewer shaped by Sammy Hawk single fin pintail no leash.

7’6" Cort Gion when it was double overhead or bigger. Still no leash. (Best Gun I ever rode) Late drops no problem!

Plenty of Rocker and more than enough board.

Over 10 foot you see much larger boards.

Kalani on his Uncle Owls guns is always a pleasure to witness.

Ryan Rawson on his Dads 8’0 pintails as well.

Cino makes some sick Guns as well.

The bigger guns always come out when the outer reefs start firing.

Mark Healy has a 10’4 (Over and Out!)

I never used a leash at pipe or yoks…

You didn’t need to…if you ate it …you were on the beach in a matter of seconds anyway.

BID=BACK IN THE DAYS…If you used a leash in Hawaii you got your ass kicked by everyone !

Biggest board I used on outter pipe was 8-3( I could have rode a 12er) and at my wt. it was more than enough.

Herb

I’ll bet it was your glassing.

I remember Hawk(Jamie Munroe from IB,Ca) telling me, some guy from the northshore glassed it…

Hawk stated that the laminator was originally from somewhere in the south LA area.

Very very Small World…

…BTW…IT HAD A SUPERIOR LAM !!!

Herb

Howzit Herb. May have told you this before I grew with the Hawk Bros. Aloha,Wildog

H.P. Spartan…ya I remember…you bet.

Bell Eagle was mine…like I said,

small world…lol.

Herb

Did you grow up in HB?

Howzit surfding, No I grew up in Huntington Park and the Hawks were originally from Bell. They moved to the beach area in the early to mid 60's.