What is a “full carbon wrap”. Please show photos or drawings of this “carbon wrap”. What are you really talking about?..
Are you currently involved with this process? Orginal poster…??? hand lay up? Mold with vac bag and heat?
AeroSpace or Jack Ass?.. Just asking…“full carbon wrap”…???
I am not involved in it. I know a company in Spain that does carbon lay ups in a pre preg carbons over a PU foam, pretty sure they Vac bag then oven cure them. Dan Mann of mankinne who does a lot of work for FireWire has been Vac bagging a bunch of his prototypes in carbon.
And as I said in The original post I had also seen them in a heap of photos on “boardporn” on Instagram of different boards with some form of full board carbon lay ups.
I am on my phone right now so I can’t ad photos but I will save a bunch and post them on the thread later.
I think you’re talking about these boards?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEbZKPxzTnh/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BD3dJS2TTs1/
Well I 've made Brownies that you only needed to eat one. Two incapacitated you.
The. Use of 4 oz layups warrants the carbon.
Here are a few, there are a bunch more but uploading is a drag…
the term carbon wrap is just one i have seen around, but i have also seen shapers refer to "just about to have this sent off to be wrapped up in epoxy, reffering to getting a board glassed.
Its NOT a refference to a HIGHLINE WRAP!!!
BTW this is a legitmate question, when the top designers like Dan Mann are making bards out of 1.5 pound eps and piutting a full laminate of carbon over the entire board, there must be a reason for it.
I have a friend AB who makes 'em in kneeboards. Likes his boards to be tough. But not indestructable: “Al, considering how hard i hit if it had been any of my other boards all 4 fins plus the tail would have been teared apart.”
Its all trail and error to get your build right. Yes, carbon is stiffer than fiberglass. Yes it has a place in board making. Fishing poles are made from it. Swim fin blades are made from it. So yes it can still flex.
4 oz PU wood stringer has the best performance for a short board. At least that’s what is winning all the contests. So changing that build, you must be after something, like a board that doesn’t snap of fall apart after a few uses.
The contest board gets most of its rigidity from the stringer, so if you want to keep the original flex when you add stiff carbon, you have to remove the stringer.
Also, for the same general stiffness, carbon flexes differently than wood. Less dampening, means quicker response. Try a wood vs carbon tennis racquet for a quick test.
I hope they have a good goretex valve and a spécial wax…
In more or less full carbone you have starboards surf and blackdart tech from inspired, for lost and others. Because of is stiffness carbon is a good condidat to reduce flexibility of skin= better buckling and denting résistance.
I often wonder why they are all riding the standard PU wood stinger, considering all the advancements out there.
Their sponsors sell more boards if they sell ones that need replacing every year.
Full ‘Linear’ carbon wrap
sure would be nice if you guys could decide what “full carbon wrap” is…
and…people have been building boards like this for years…with no real dent into the poly/poly world… Carry on…
SUP’s seem to be doing best with this stuff… maybe surfers are just cheap bastards…ha ha…
Start gathering your carbon questions for the Hotseat thread with GraphiteMaster. Dan Mann says he will join the discussion too. Both are pushing the limits for practical carbon use in surfboards. And we (Lemat and others ) may be able to help GraphiteMaster.
My final thought on this is; go to the Board Show at Del Mar 4/14-15 and see how it’s done. Or; get a bud to video it and send it to you. L
what the fuck are you on about?.. and Thats your final thought? i doubt it…
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Ha Ha…
i thought the Dan Mann hot seat was over…
Sorry for any confusion with the self coined terms “full carbon wrap” and “carbon wrapped”. I know they’re far from industry standard. I use these to describe boards that are lammed top and bottom with carbon fiber, as opposed to open face constructions like Black Dart. I have a half dozen boards with carbon fiber lams in my quiver and I can say it’s hard to find someone who builds them better than Justin Ternes. I’m not sure what black magic he’s using or used on my boards, but he works directly with the guys at graphite masters to sort out then build some of the most responsive carbon lammed boards I’ve ever seen, let alone ridden. They’re light and flexy like standard cloth and epoxy but have the added durability of the carbon fiber cloth. He’s doing a lot of them for Manny Caro and now Chris Christenson and Sharp Eye. He’s also a regular for Dan Mann, who, like me, can’t stop singing his praises.
