Well, after see this and watching the others videos, I did understand the concept behind this design;
I, of course, Ia have to try it.....
So, before thinking of something like this, what are your oppinions about this kind of board? manovreable?, fast?, controlable? confortable?, does this work in big carved waves ?
Tell me what you think, because if it is true, it´s like the passing the single fin to tri-fin, so revolutionary as the say...
It is indeed a pretty diffrerent way to go. but im not convinced about the performace aspect. have had a hold of a couple and they are fricken light tho. surf industries also make there own eps cores called "nanoweld eps" apparently water proof.
have a look at this luis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL1JSgQaQ7E
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N28DWm5mvyE&feature=related
Sunovas would be as light as the meyerhof but much stonger. bert knows his shit for sure
You know what they say about opinions. But since you asked…
If you’re having problems turning a rockered-out lite-weight HP longboard it’s just as easy to order your next one from a local shaper and have them include the 13" tail (like the Meyerhoffer) as it is to buy the import. It’s not complicated.
The board definitely won’t teach you anything about flow or smoothness or style, though. That is, unless you actually think that monkey-humping-a-football action is stylish. If do you end up surfing it with any degree of style it will only be because you’re fighting the board, not because the board is helping you to do it.
I borrowed a demo from a local shop. It seemed to work really good but I'm giving the dual concave, fin lay out, tail outline, and tail rocker more credit than the obviously extreme hourglass outline.
The Meyerhoffer has some nice detailing on the tail area. The riding I did on the demo was mainly off the tail.
My hunch? An identical tail design with a conventional (non-hourglass) outline might work about the same. If you look at the videos, a good part of the surfing is done off the tail.
By the way, Bert Burger posted a similar hourglass templated longboard design awhile back...
Hi John,
i remember that photo and i remember when the "hoff" boards first came out that i thought bert did a board like that some time before. good to see it again.
cant help but wonder if its the weight saving that also helps these boards "perform" better too.
Hi Moonfish -
Although the tail width at 12" from the end is relatively pulled in, the width at 24" up is very wide. This gives greater planing surface and addtional curve in the tail outline.
This is a common feature on both the Meyerhoffer and the Sunova.
On the demo I tried the fincluster was situated more forward than your average 2+1 set up. I think that played a part in the overall feel.
Some guys are griping because it's an outsourced board from a big company. I have corresponded with Thomas Meyerhoffer and he does do customs.
So essentially its putting the "sweet spot" further back, by increasing the floatation in the tail end? therefore helping to prevent having to move around the board as much to trim etc and gather momentum again?
This is how i was thinking anywho.
were they originally made in poly tho?
well,
Well,
We have a large aggressive marketing concern who has Picked up a design for a surfboard
from a man who has designed,and quite successfully I understand,housings for computers.
And now the design mayven has redesigned the archaic outdated marginally functional
surfboard. Thank the gods from odin on down .May Asgard reassert her domination of the seas.
Formerly the Norse influence was primarily in colder waters Now perhaps ths domination of the
southern oceans is at hand.I am ambivolent on this topic and am not gonna give up a wave
to try one.I am indeed Happy that another large investment has been made to revolutionalize
and manufacture another Product,goodness knows the disposable income of our culture needs
somthing to buy besides food…
the new improved design will be out at six month intervals for those who buy in to the first offerings
The mike tabling youtube demonstrations are stellar I especially like the 20 second one where the
female voice say ‘‘he’s such a stud’’! and the 8 second youtube is way cool…but then again the
17 second clip is also a winner.Aspiring to become a surfing great has occupied most
of my concious life and I think I will never ride a board as ‘‘good’’ as this gift from
a design winning workshop…
the challenge of riding boards that are truly difficult to ride still monopolizes my
attention.A board that is easy to ride is another thing entirely.
I think the video of randy rarick riding sunset point
or garret mc namarra riding second reef pipeline
should be next. Surely the promotion department
has this in the works.
My opinion is this: all the boards you have made arre better than this design because
they are your dreams brought to reality .I will concede this designer’s dream to his reality
but will not buy packaged instant success It smells too much like dehydrated soup.
…ambrose…
add another layer to the land fill
for the archeologists.
‘aqua-jet honeycomb’
they are about 50 feet down
Malibu surfriders styrofoam boards are about 75 feet down
The Joro paddalack is about 100feet down
the pacific homes boards were biodegradeable.
en espanol?
el plata delas olas de mehoff es muy estupid.
…ambrosio…
Here is my opinion…
This is your second thread on the GSI imported things, designed by a guy who makes computer casings.
They look stupid, they surf stupid.
Gee, might be a good fit for some people.
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Here is my opinion...
This is your second thread on the GSI imported things, designed by a guy who makes computer casings.
They look stupid, they surf stupid.
Gee, might be a good fit for some people.
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I know! that´s why I ask to delete it...
but in this one, there was a lot of people giving me good alternatives in construction and design, wich is good.
The Venturi effect in such design was well "sold" by the shaper, wich gaves a better idea to understand this; that´s why I come here to ask what you think by your experience how she rides....
Any surfboard under the feet of a good surfer will look like a good surfboard.
Any great surfboard under the feet of a poor surfer will look like a bad surfboard.
I don't see anything mind blowing from the Peanut Shape. It looks like it surf like any other lightweight EPS core HP longboard. I have a lightweight HP Jim Phillips Longboard that can do all that same stuff....and I'm a crappy surfer.
Invest your time in learning the attributes that make a good surfboard, not the latest and greatest gimmick. Or if you want to buy something give a craftsman like Jim a call, you'll be shocked in the difference.
ROFL!!
tears from laughing…
considering I misread this thread title as “I need onions”, it seems appropriate…
peanuts,hourglasses, fat penguins… it’s all been done before afaik but only the Meyerhoffer has the marketing strength to get sold. I have my doubts as to whether it really is an amazing board but I no doubt the folks selling them are doing an amazing job.
as to a venturi effect? Water is not a compressible fluid. and this too has been dealt with before…
Peanut outline = waist cut snowski
STOP.
Exclusive “waterproof EPS” = corporate BS marketing hype. My EPS just went thru a major rainstorm and was “waterproof” too. “Nanoweld” “superfused”, whatever… French has been coining new terms ever since the days of “Seatrends” and going to China…point is they are the only ones that have it, the TM says so.
STOP.
You Tube seen here didn’t do anything different than conventional light LB with pushed up fin cluster can do
STOP.
Conclusion aka opinion? The outline will resonate with FCS Fusion system, buy it if you are obsessed with continuity.
STOP!
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as to a venturi effect? Water is not a compressible fluid. and this too has been dealt with before...
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As a matter of fact she´s in´t, but the continuos fluid of the water passing trought, is..
Wich means that the water will diminue velocity tho the middle and will accellerate at the end (Theory...)
(the modern big boats have this "kind" of design)
But I don´t see this board by the outline, but the all of it; even she was with a "normal" outline I believe in better performance with the back tunnels and sharp end rails....
the question is if this only a business of the moment or something to come.......................
only a business of the moment or something to come…
Please… What everybody said…
I’ve seen kids rip way better than that standing on plain old boogie boards…
My problem is that I’m extremely biased against that style of surfing. I think it’s the ugliest and least graceful way there is to ride a wave. And length has nothing to do with it.
Skip Frye on a 12ft trim board has style, flow, balance and smoothness and fluidity. There are a legion of longboarders like Tudor, Meador, Knost, et al who make a 9-6 “moving sidewalk” look like a ballet. Wayne Lynch, Larry Bertleman, Tom Curren, Rob Machado and Dane Reynolds all surf very differently from each other but they all share the elements of style and flow and smoothness.
Compared to these guys, Bonga and Colin McPhillips look look like heifers in heels, and they’re among the best that the “HP-Longboarders” have to offer. I’m sorry, I just don’t see any flow or smoothness in what they do. All I can see is second rate shortboarders who wouldn’t be able to make a living in surfing if not for catering to the short bus contingent in surfing.
Moreover, I attribute the scourge of the kook SUPs in our lineups to the HP Longboard mentality. “Look at me, I can turn this boat 2/3 off the lip - I’m ripping.” Honestly, I’d much rather my son tell me he’s an atheist/gay/communist/drug-addicted puppy-beater than tell me he aspires to surf a Stewart HP-Longboard from Surftech like it was a shortboard, because I know the next step of de-evolution for him will be the Weapon of Mass Wavecount SUP.
Well put. I’ve always thought that a “high performance longboard” was nothing more than a floating oxymoron. What is the point of trying to surf a longboard as if it was a shortboard? Whole lotta grunting and grimacing that is totally unappealing and often times downright ugly. When folks ask me how I define “style”, my reply is “surfing that doesn’t insult the wave”. HP longboard is a gross insult to a thing of beauty. Before the advent of the SUP craze, it was the ugliest thing in the water.
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only a business of the moment or something to come...
Please... What everybody said...
I've seen kids rip way better than that standing on plain old boogie boards...
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Sorry, but what you see are surfer that are able to surf with a brick of one wall, and it´s not my case (well...maybe 30 years ago....)
Let us see this way: I´m not talking about the way of surfing the wave of each one; that´s the choice of each one!!!!
I´m talking of the efectiviness of this kind of board; there are longboards that different surfers ride differently as they wish;
The question is if this board works for everyone and works well; some are radical, some are classic, nothing less..
