http://www.incideblanks.com/technology/the-brain/
...read the website cover to cover. My question is this: "That 'brain' will last forver. So, say you destroy the exterior of the board in 3 years. Can the brain be transfered into a new blank?" If so, that's killer.
A surfboard inside a surfboard. A dream within a dream.
Related concepts:
http://www.swaylocks.com/comment/1485469/Re-Florian_R-very-thin-surfboard
http://www.swaylocks.com/comment/1485530/Re-Florian_R-very-thin-surfboard
All very logical this should work structuraly. Having perused the website I nowhere discovered the price. My guess is… the bwains are expensive. It’s a great idea which has my bwains working overtime tonight sleeping on it … how I could do a cheaper version out of timber veneers. Not stealing the idea … just bending it a little. 
“The Brain” is carbon.
Here’s an old Swaylocks thread on the concept of why they put it inside (incide) the blank -
http://www.swaylocks.com/node/1017491
I’ve been riding stringerless, carbon-railed boards for a few years now. It does seem to prolong the memory of the board flex. I’m still riding 3 year old boards and they still feel lively.
Seems like a valid concept, and they are giving it to shapers in an easy-to-digest blank that doesn’t require any special procedures (which is the biggest hurdle in getting new tech to the masses).
yeah not a new concept. What is new is a blank producer is putting cream in the center of their donuts. And according to Incide, it’s magic board filling. Prices start at $140/blank I think.
A brain transplant once that EPS goes to s#*t or this idea is a literally a waste. Double standard touting carbon will last indefinitely and they didn’t finish of this cool idea with the concept of re-covering the brain with fresh EPS once the glass & foam is beyond repair.
If it’s just a sheet of unidirectional, that’s something some of us could do. Myself, how I ride, I wouldn’t see a huge difference if there’s additional composites in the belly of my board…maybe expect extra weight.** Looks cool though. They’re gonna sell a few of these, would love to see someone pull the foam off one and look under the hood…**
Nice, Lawless. Where can I see your carbon parab. work? I’m getting ready to glass my first semi-carbon tape stringerless this weekend. I picked up some of this uni-carbon & glass tape with/the pinlines in it. Looking forward to this and a solid uni-carbon tape setup.
I don’t build my own boards, I just like to have a really good understanding of what’s in them and what makes them work for me.
Here’s my latest cork deck board though:
http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2230794
My good friend Tom Neilson is the shaper and these are glassed by Drewtang on here, so it’s hard for me to justify shaping my own boards with such easy access to those guys. I still like to geek out on the build process though and have a really clear understanding of what’s involved and how that translates to how it feels under my feet when I’m riding it.
–nice, that Nielson’s a beaut, thanks for sharing…yeah would be nice to shape an Incide, but if you can build your own carbon parabolic and do it well, I suppose having the scratch to shape an Incide for yourself is more about beta and supporting new processes, as a carbon railed board would probably retain it’s flex pattern just as long. They look cool. Probably heavier. Maybe that’s why they chose EPS as the couch cushion over the carbon filling instead of PU.
Sweet jeebees, that’s a sweet looking rocker table. Any more info you’d like to share about the carbon railed boards? Shaping, glassing, ride report…?
Monk, I’m new to the game for carbon rails. Had some practice w/stringerless setups, but consider me a student. I built 2 rocker bars in the spirit of Barry Snyder’s he sells, I couldn’t afford to have him build a set & ship; had to go about it on my own from scratch. I use these bars to template outlines, force-rocker straight billets (to save foam, I build up all my own blanks right now). Super useful. Bitchin’ results. Templating a pair of skis w/them this fall.
Eliminating wood , and replacing it with carbon fibre ?..Ive yet to see an instance where this is an improvement , beyond the marketing strategy…(lol)
Hey guys,
The carbon rail is a cool concept too, but not quite the same as the InCide technology. As we all know it’s the small things that count in surfboard design and in this case the Incide tech is actually way different than a carbon railed board. Obviously the different is having the carbon like surfboard inside of the blank which gives it a more “natural” flex pattern as opposed to the carbon/parabolic which gives a torsional flex which feels pretty different. Yeah the board will last because of the role the carbon plays but it’s pretty different in the end. That’s a good question about re-using the “brain” VAESKE.
Core charge hahah, Return your cores for credit on a new blank
** haa’’ both were done by peter and myself c d d long back its no suprise it works for him. **
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but guess which one performed best?
cheers huie
we’ve been doing it since we started the whole composite trip
like i once told brian
solid woven bamboo(not veneer)=nature’s carbon fiber
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/oneula/P1010674-2_zps5b96416e.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/oneula/P1010675-2_zps3316a4b7.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/oneula/P1010663.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/oneula/P1010665.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/oneula/build4.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u38/oneula/8784PICT0576-med.jpg
Has anyone an idea, where to get these bamboo- mats in europe?
Does a glass schedule effect this flex pattern?
Until I read that site I didn’t know that surfboards relied on the wood stringer… Ha!
My biggest question is does the “Brain” come in different sizes and flex patterns?
While the flex characteristics can help your surfing, creating a
surfboard design with flex in mind presents challenges. First, the
surfboard must walk the line between flex and strength. Secondly, after
repeated compression and expansion, a surfboard’s traditional wood
stringer will weaken, giving it a “dead” feeling.
For this reason, I am interested in this technology.
But, if we go this route, the flex must be controlled.
Maybe different flex patterns for different weight surfers.
If not, does the grom blank feel stiff and the big guy blank over flex?
If the “Brain” is all the same size, it must be different for all weights of riders.
At least with wood stringers, thicker boards have more stringer and flex less. And thinner boards are allowed to flex more.
During the 90’s, I experimented with Carbon stringers.
Very strong. Hard to shape.
I really liked the Parabolic thing a few years back.
I did a bunch of those.
Those things had a lot of spring to them.
Pain in the ass to shape.
Does a glass schedule effect this flex pattern?
Of course it does.
Wider laps will definitely stiffen the rails.
So will multiple layers of fiberglass.
Remember that this “Brain” is surrounded by a soft, flexible foam.
Lots to learn with this technology.
I saw one of these"Brains" at the last trade show. Interesting.
I believe that this shape will change as we learn more about this controlled flex.
One size certainly can’t fit all.
There is no money in boards.
As far as carbon goes I like the idea the EPS will dampen the flex of the carbon.
IMHO There are much better and cheaper ways to achieve the same results.
Also, the carbon may not fai,l but you can bet the rest of the board just might.
I don’t like it at all…sorry.
