or at least agree to disagree.
The reason that xxxx has lost it’s grip on todays market is that as a result of the borders being opened, post-Joh Bielke, Queenslanders have come to realise that it makes you smell. Like Pig. Simple.
still you are wrong about what hulls are you douche bag. and read your first post as it was totally absurd. tell the guys who make them for a living that they are fun boards or crutches they will laugh at your stupid brainless comments.
In the 70’s there were 5 groups of round board enthusiast in California:
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Sant Cruz crew with John Mel etc.
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Santa Barbara crew Greenough, Tim Bolwer, Richi West, etc. there were also guys in Ventura. Malcom and Duncan’s first Bonzers were also round type boards.
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Greg Liddle crew in the Valley and Malibu.
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The Newport Beach, Progressive and Animal Tracks crew.
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San Diego, Skip, Gary Keeting, Staples, Dustin, Bowler, etc.
The Santa Barbara crew and the Liddle crew made hulls which worked great on the point breaks. The Newport and San Diego crew made flatter bottoms for the beach breaks and reefs. There’s been many names for these boards, Hulls, Round Boards, Eggs, Flying Discs, etc. These guys came from the Nat/Wayne school of surfing of the early 70’s. I shaped a bit for G&S then and they ripped.
The SJ article I’m sure will tell us all about this era of boards and the guys behind them.
mate i remember when i was 12 we would steal one of dads longnecks
and sneak off down to kings beach on our pushies
i can buy it over here in NZ
thanks for the essay
didnt have time to check the links
i was born in mata hospital woolongabba
i grew up in caloundra in the later part of the Joe dynasty
rarely drink now but 4x is the go when i do
theres a beer in in japan thats tastes a bit similar bitter ale
saporo
other than that nothing comes close
i thought a stubbie was a short penis
and a hull was a big fat chick
" ‘belly nose to flat to accelerating deep V’s’"
This type of bottom is not what is used on what I call a “hull” (Liddle, Bojorquez, etc.). So what you were shaping and riding in the 60’s isn’t relevant to the modern “hull”. The flat bottom eggs and retro 70’s singles are also a far cry from the refined “hull”. Anyone that jumped from a funboard egg onto a Liddle would definately not call it a fun board. At least not until they learned how they work.
anyone wanting a beautifully made hull should search out a guy by the name of klaus jones in oxnard. You will not regret it !!!
Yeah, they work soooo… well that every good surfer is using them, they are the most prevelent designs out there, you see all the good surfers using them, and everyone knows exactly what they are…
Friggen any round nose bottom that transitions to a V towards the tail is the same useless design, and you know it. Make it flat to V, it’s BETTER!
You slow, old surfers who can react to a fast design just LOVED those hull bottoms!!!
why so hostile, leedd? agree to disagree on the matter swaylock himself(herself?) suggested& move on. name calling & mud slinging only makes us all look like fools.
I agree if you don’t like the design that’s fine. Just say so. Your open hostility is so uncalled for. Thyanks to the rest of you for the input.
Hey, I"m only responding to someone who calls me a non surfer and a douche bag!
I said… “SOME people call them crutches or short funboards”.
Does that sound hostile to you? Or is that just an observation that lots of surfers would make?
Now if I called you a douche bag, what would you respond?
Come on, don’t be shy now.
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Yeah, they work soooo… well that every good surfer is using them, they are the most prevelent designs out there, you see all the good surfers using them, and everyone knows exactly what they are…
Hi LeeDD, from riding different surfboards, different fins, different waves and from reading Swaylocks i think most of us learned that “high performance” doesn’t mean the same for everyone, and most important: surf has a lot to do with feelings.
I tried for the first time a hull shaped by Paul Gross some months ago (THANKS Charlie!) and it’s not a “funboard”, but it’s a really fun board once you learned how to ride it, it’s a really interesting thing, and it gives you some kind of sensations that i haven’t experienced with any other surfboard before. With this board I really felt one with the wave, i learned a lot about flow and i would love to try again a design like that in better/cleaner/longer waves to really learn how to ride it.
Definitively i would love to have one in my quiver, and the time to learn from a board like that.
Not every good surfer use the same kind of surfboard as you know, in fact as far as i know, you used a Bic “funboard” for a lot of time. Most of the so called “good surfers” use surfboards developed to try modern skate tricks on a wave, some of them to win contest with the modern criteria, some of them to impress others, and most of them (i would like to think so) because it’s how they enjoy surfing the most.
LeeDD, a good surfer knows what to ride to enjoy surfing and some good surfers choose hulls to enjoy wave riding, this doesn’t mean a hull is the best surfboard for everyone on every wave.
Have fun, and if you can’t, learn how to do it… you’ll be pleased!
Coque.
PS: Aloha and thanks to all those who keep this forum alive posting new interesting threads.
You miss the jist of my post!
Some guy claims hulls are sooooo great!
Sure, a good surfer can make any board work OK, even a BIC, if he has to…
But displacement bottoms, hulls if you will, are best for certain glassy, even, smooth, pointbreaks, and not good for all around surfing in different breaks around the world.
Very condition specific, which means good for the SantaBarbara guys, and very bad for the beach break surfers who don’t get glassy conditions.
Yeah, nice a bunch of you hull riders responded positively to this post.
But really, what’s your ratio? Like maybe 2 in 500 surfers like them.
I never stated whether I like them or not.
Once again for you stoopid who can’t understand what they read… “SOME surfers say they’re a crutch and a short funboard”…
Please read that again !!!
Scott you are spot on about Klaus Jones a super good Stubbie - Hull shaper . Cuttie good call on all involved in different areas , we tried to cover that but you can only do so much with what they give you. All of us that did the article are going to do something that will cover all of it on these boards in the near future. Scott I now how you feel , but you gotta let some stuff just slide by.
Dang?!
OK Forgiven, I was responding also to others crit, my apologies…
“SOME surfers say they’re a crutch and a short funboard”
I call my Wilderness stubbie a funboard because, well…, it’s really fun to ride! Granted, it took time to get the hang of it but now it is my go to choice for all point breaks around here. And we have plenty. I also don’t have a problem surfing it in clean medium sized beach breaks. Something I wouldn’t have done when first learning to ride it.
LeeDD, just curious about what you meant by “crutch”? (I’m not trying to antagonize you, just want to know your opinion.)
Thanks,
Marc
First of all, I ride a funboard 50% of my surfing days.
I was shaping all sorts of 6’ long, 21.5" wide “crutchs” for small days at our beginner spots.
Most surfers not in the know think those boards are “crutch’s” because they’re 6’, but have the area of a 7’ board.
Personally, I find the boards not all that useful, as a 6’x19 tri fin catches waves very similar and for me, does better once I’m up.
And once up and riding, since I"m a backfoot oriented rider, I don’t find the displacement bottom all that helpful in any way, except for floatation for paddling speed and ease.
A front footed surfer might drive off the front convex, similar to a Nugget “loaded dome”, but for me, it’s out of the water once I’m up on my feet.
Thanks LeeDD, now I know what you meant.
not to flog a dead horse, but pics i’ve seen of ‘stubs’ on this thread looks more like what i would condsider an egg.
and correct me if i’m wrong if there’s no difference.
A stub I would think is a short, wide board with a full nose ( like on a retro fish), paralell rails, low entry rocker, and a wide square tail. The pic of Dane Perlee in west africa (p. 24 of Vol 14 #6) in a recent Surfer Journal is the type of shape that comes to my mind