Kelly slater on a fish

Just because someone calls a particular board a Fish, doesn’t mean that it IS a Fish. Seems to me the bulk of what people are calling Fish, are in fact Twinfins. Perhaps inspired by the Fish design, but a Twinfin all the same. I think the Fish will fade again, as Herb stated, because there is a NEW concept beginning to emerge. Something that only a few surfers today have experienced, or understand. This will become the NEW area of exploration by those who have heard about the design, and wonder aloud how the design could possibly work in hollow waves, or big waves, or even small waves. The coming new concept is, (dare I say it?) the Single Fin! Now please don’t light up the thread with denials, or defense of the Fish, just think about how the various design concepts are recycled, to new generations of young surfers.

Are any of you out there starting to get curious about singles? Oh, yes, Mr. Slater IS a phenom. I’ve seen slo-mo film of him doing things in, on, above, and across the pitching lip of a wave, that defy gravity and physics. I’d like to be him for one wave, to see what that level of performance feels like. Wouldn’t you?

Yeah the guy rips, obviously, but to me the glaring thing was him burning other surfers. Not that it nevers happens at the Bu, and yeah some were kooks, but one guy seemed a competent longboarder. Jeez, Mr. World Champ can hop on a plane to take a boat trip to the best uncrowded waves in the world any time he wants! Let an “ordinary” surfer (that’s you and me right?) have a wave.

Guess I’m still smarting because some ten or fifteen years ago I got snaked on what would have been one of my all time waves (solid over head third point that wrapped around to first) by Allen Sarlo, so I have no sympathy for surf stars who snake.

You are right Bill, not exactly a fish.

And take a look at those big twin fins. High aspect if I see them correctly.

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The coming new concept is, (dare I say it?) the Single Fin!

Its not as crazy an idea as it sounds. I resently switched to single fins and I don’t see myself going back. Since I’ve switched I been watching how people surf - the bulk of them are spending more time going straight than turning (very unKellyish). This holds true for both the longboarders and shortboarders. I surf Trails most of the time so I realize that theres a very low concentation of rippers, but I think the average surfer shouldn’t be riding what they’re riding.

I hate to say this

but it looks like a firewire he’s riding

check the rail logo postion and how the board bounces around

Maybe someone can verify it

but that’s my call

And he’s not burning anyone

that’s now you surf a crowd of longboarders when you have a little fish

I know guys here that would not have tried to avoid all the obstacles in the water like slater did and just hit them

This is better than his fish J-Bay footage

I really liked this clip

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but it looks like a firewire he’s riding

I’m not so sure. In the first screen capture it looks like theres a stringer. I put the second to show whats type of fins.


exactly…a good surfer is a good surfer…period.

and of course every generation

has it’s idea of “style”…but

i just cannot stand hopping, butt wiggling…etc

then again some one on a log

perched in the middle of the board

just putting along…is plain/plane boring :wink:

but jeez…don’t those hull vids

just absolutely drip with style?

and don’t get me wrong

i love my fishes too…kane gardens

with twin glassed on wooden fins,

and my junod longboard,

however, my hulls(fineline 7.2, liddle 7.6)

give me the most satisfaction, feeback, and pure

interaction with the wave…

especially on the size of that wave

kelly slater is on…yes he rips it,

but i would love to see what he

would do on a hull on the same wave…

as greg liddle said to me in an e-mail recently…

seems like these days guys are

more interested in being in the air,

than on the wave…

i dunno…

I thought it looked more like an MR type twin

I have to say though, this reactionary allyoustupidkidsarejerkingoff stuff is BTBS–some people are going to ride and develop all kinds of boards in ebbs and flows, fits and starts, from here on out, because that’s where the action is–everywhere, in the existing surfboard arsenal and outside it too. (By the way, in mountain biking, there is a term–“retrogrouch”)

It begs mentioning too that a LOT of young guys aren’t even interested in the slightest in any of this stuff that we or the erBB are. Much less SINGLE fins!

ALSO BTW, that clip should be compared with the one at www.proctorsurf.com of the guy riding the “lil rascal” (A Bushfire style board ;)) at Malibu!!! Talk about torching longbearders !!

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but it looks like a firewire he’s riding

I’m not so sure. In the first screen capture it looks like theres a stringer. I put the second to show whats type of fins.

How many kids have ever developed and carried through anything of lasting value in board design?

Surfing has a high attrition rate and most who give it up are under the age of 25. Real experience is measured in decades- whether it’s designing and building boards, riding waves… or life in general.

Ok.

I guess the part we agree on is “to each his own.”

This little corner of individualism and esoterica (and vanguardism, pretty often) is a wonderful thing.

It looks very simular to my Predator model(w/o the SCs)(swaylocks surfboard archives 6ft.thru 6’-11"#200) that I’ve been riding for some 9 years.

That Shape and simular shapes to it, ride a wider array of conditions than twins,and will allow the rider w/ skills to push further in his or her surfing abilities.Herb

How old was…

Tom Morey when he developed the Boogie?

George Greenough when he rocked the surf world riding Velo?

Dick Brewer when he shaped the first mini guns?

Wally Froiseth, John Kelly, Fran Heath when they created and surfed the finless HotCurl design?

Laird Hamilton when he began towing-in at Peahi?

Greg Noll when he dropped into the largest wave of his life at Makaha?

Duke Kahanamoku and Tom Blake in their prime?

Nat Young when he won his first world championship?

Kelly Slater when he won his 8th world title?

Young?

Good point.

Butt thee Grumpee Olde Pharts do things, too. They joust preefers te dew thaim inne thee olde wayes. Theye kin youse ye olde comm-pew-tor contraptions fore ye olde grousing aboute thee dayes and boardes of yore fer instance…

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If you don’t jump in at Malibu, you’ll never catch anything. My general rule of thumb is - sit outside so you’ve got priority whenever possible… paddle when everyone else does… don’t jump in if somewone is standing and coming down the line (unless they’ve burned you more than twice already, then jump at will)… longboarders share waves… shortboarders either catch nothing or burn everyone at every opportunity… give the old dudes respect and room to surf… don’t freak when you get dropped on - just smile and blow by them… share waves…

I usually talk to everyone in the lineup. I figure if I make friends with them first they won’t get so bummed when I take their waves. I also tell people to go when I do - that helps insure we’ll make room for each other on the wave.

Malibu and Waikiki are the only waves I know where there’s always room to share. I apply these same rules at Queens. The only difference is I NEVER drop on a Beachboy… or any Hawaiian locals.

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How many kids have ever developed and carried through anything of lasting value in board design?

Surfing has a high attrition rate and most who give it up are under the age of 25. Real experience is measured in decades- whether it’s designing and building boards, riding waves… or life in general.

(Laughs) …take a look at Surfers Journal, Volume 7, Number 4, back of the mag, it’s an article called “Moving forward” …it’s a scrapbook of GG and friends… you might want to rethink that comment. -Carl

How about the average age (active prime) of those listed in the Shapers Family Tree?

Apart from George Greenough, how many in that photo ever developed and carried through anything of lasting value in board design?

A stroke of genius can occur at any age. If I remember correctly, Steve Lis was a teen when he began making Fish. Anyone remember for sure?

Like 18 yrs old.Herb

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How about the average age (active prime) of those listed in the Shapers Family Tree?

Geeze… as the list gets filled out we’ll start to have an idea. The printed version is one dimentional. The online version has many searchable and comparable fields, including ones for date of birth, date of death (when applicable), year started, etc. We don’t have all the fields filled in yet, but they’re in place. We’ll get the online version up soon, then you’ll be able to get see more than just shaper names and primary influences.