latest projects: Much thanks to Griff and Pierre

Just finished a couple of projects I thought I might share with the crew here.

First on is a cedar compsand fish, 5’11’ x 22.5 x 2.625 with the Griff-style 5-fin setup in ply and carbon fiber. I tried to get with Griff to get a set of his fins, but we were having trouble connecting and I was frothing to get this thing finished. He was generous enough, however, to share the placements with me, and a friend forwarded me some tracings of the fin templates themselves, so I’m hoping I got pretty close to how the master himself would have done it.

Next was a “pet project” of mine. It wound up being way more labor-intensive that I had expected, but the end result was good. Not sure if I’d do it again, though.

I had gotten this board back as a trade-in a few months ago, and I had already reworked it once to fix the rocker. Since it wasn’t cosmetically perfect, and it rode pretty damn good, I figured it was the ideal candidate for a travel-board.

I didn’t take many photos of the build process since my wife had the camera out of town when I was doing much of it, but I’ll narrate best I can with the few cellphone pics I took.

I started by taking .5" ID carbon fiber tubing and glassing them into slots I routed into the board. I placed them close to the bottom skin and close to the rails so they’d have something to “grab” onto. The ends of the tubes were plugged with epoxy and the centers of the tubes were plugged with pencils wrapped with tape so the tube wouldn’t splinter when the saw hit it. the middle tube was placed against the deck, but the alignment didn’t wind up being perfect with the other two, so it looks like I’ll have to get by with two.

After putting the carefully aligned tubes into the board and re-capping the balsa and re-glassing, I made a jig to clamp on the board that would guide it down the sides of my table saw. Then I cut that sucker in half.

I totally borrowed the idea of placing the tubes before sawing from the Pope bisect, so don’t give me any credit for that idea. I’m not an “idea guy”, I’m more of a “planning and execution” guy.

After that I cut up a longboard centerfin box and inlaid that into the foam so it was oriented vertically, and so each half of the board would have two sections of finbox that would face each other when the halves were mated up. should have taken a photo of this part, but when you see how it is bolted together you’ll get it.

I used carbon fiber to tie the finbox sections to the deck skin, so they wouldn’t come out under tension

then I put the half-circle abs plastic caps over the finboxes, and glassed over the exposed cut section, and lapped that over all the other work on the outside of the board. I had to tape down the glass to get it all lay down right in one pull.

then I put a thin sheet of ABS plastic on each half for a flat mating surface. Again, I can’t take credit for this or the idea to use the finbox as a screw anchor, it was Pierre on Sways who did this first, albeit without the CF tubes.

then it was just a simple matter of fairing everything out, locating and opening up the CF tubes and fin boxes, then trial-fitting and praying it would all go back together again.

Here’s the finished work.

The anchoring system, under the plastic caps are chunks of longboard center finbox facing each other so the bolt has something to anchor against. The aluminum bolt has holes through its head so it can be turned with a standard fcs-size allen wrench. Again, not my idea.

Opened up:

Mating surfaces and connecting parts:

You can see where there is tube for a third CF rod, but the alignment was wrong on that one, so it won’t go together. Incidentally, the most challenging part of this whole build was trying to find a source for carbon fiber tubes that would go inside one another with a close fit. I had to get my .5" Inner-diameter tube and .5" Outer-diameter tube from two different sources. That took some looking, but they were a PERFECT slip-fit.

All together now (with glass taped on to patch the tail ding it got while working on it).

Next step: a bonzer pintail to match the nose for the truly ultimate travel board, three small pieces, two complete boards.

wow! awesome work there Shwuz. this is what i love about sways.

ive had the idea of travel boards in my mind for a while now too and after seeing pierres and now yours too its firing me up!

got some friends getting married in september and as ive missed both of their 30ths as far as the series of 30th boards ive been doing this might be the trick… a piece each for them to unite and to unite them!

Brilliant work with the bisect! - Are the break down dimensions small enough to check without having to pay the ridiculous board fee$$?

That fish is quite beautiful as well - please give a ride report!

Methinks that rear fin on the 5 is a little too close to the buttcrack…the flow will not have time to interact with the board after it leaves the trailing edge of that center fin…my guess is it woulda been better with a linear crack instead of curved, so the crack was not as deep with that fin config…

sweet looking boards and craftsmanship…curious…weights?

Wow!

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Brilliant work with the bisect! - Are the break down dimensions small enough to check without having to pay the ridiculous board fee$$?

That fish is quite beautiful as well - please give a ride report!

I sure hope the dims are small enough, otherwise I’ve wasted a whole lot of time for nothing! Seriously though, when I do travel with it, I’ll have it in a nondescript duffle-looking bag, and I won’t even mention “surfboard” when checking in.

I was hoping on getting out on the fish today, but the surf gods have been conspiring against me for about a month now… I only work three days a week, but the only surf in the last month has fallen on a thursday, friday or saturday. This week isn’t looking any better, either.

Yeah, Blakestah, I thought about the center placement as well. But looking at griffs boards it doesn’t look like he has that much more space between the buttcrack and the trailing edge than I do. I measure mine at about 1 3/4" from the leash loop roving stuffed into the crack of the butt crack, griffs look to be about 2 fcs plug widths, whatever that is… Hopefully it doesn’t make too much of a difference. Unfortunately, I had some serious problems with the build on that fish, and much of what you see there shapewise is a major compromise from the original vision.

Weights, my digital bathroom scale is giving me wildly varying numbers, but they’re both in the 7-8lb range. Heavier than my usual, the fish probably because of the cedar (and the glassons) and the travelboard because of all the hardware added.

Schwuz, love it.

I have a bisect LB and am doing the same thing on an old board (SB). Thanks for breaking trail.

Wow thats pretty cool

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Isnt someone gonna start mouthing off about steeling Popes Work???

Shwuz, Those both are some amazing looking boards! Really love the fins! Just to put your mind at ease about the fin placement I pulled out my Griff and measured it at 1 3/4" from the edge of the glass in the crack. I haven’t seen Greg on here in a while, hopefully he’ll comment.

Thanks for the compliments guys, I’m pretty stoked on them too! and thanks mahana for the reassurance about the buttcrack, I was worried there for a minute.

and yeah, I was just waiting for someone to bust on me about the “bisect” thing… Although I never called it such, it’s a “breakdown board” ;).

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Isnt someone gonna start mouthing off about steeling Popes Work???

no

but you might have noticed that jarrod asked greg first

and didnt just mold them

he made an attempt at foiling them himself

lovely work jarrod

Yes

I did notice that Jarrod asked Greg about the fins

thats why I only brought up the Bisect thingy

no worry’s

I was just poke’n a little pun

I wish some one would try and copy some of my stuff (as if I had some)

I would be flattered

Brilliant idea: 3 halfs = 2 different boards. Dig it!

Niegà

Great looking boards! You did a great job on wood selection with the cedar on. Your bisected board turned out really good. I can’t wait to here how it surfs. I’ve heard the key for getting them on the plain is to call them trade show displays (no sir, its not meant to be surfed). You could even throw a few decals on it to further throw them off the track.

Absolutely sick, as usual.

Something to aspire to.

Those things are nice. My compliments on top of all the others.

How many hours in these projects?

This is a 5’11" Griff fish…so you can see why your fish fin placement caught my eye. The crack clearance is close to 3 inches.

Griff 5’11" fish thread at surfermag

http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB4&Number=1341120

How many hours? Countless, probably close to 20 in each one, maybe more than that… Basically all my off-work time for about three weeks.

I dunno what to tell you, Blakestah. Did you see Mahana’s post above? He actually measured the distance crack-to-trailing edge on his Griff 5, didn’t just eyeball it from a photo.

But if you’re going to eyeball it, check this one:

Looks way closer than 3" to me. for reference, the rear sides are 4.5" from tail tip, and rear fin bases are about 3.25".

Great boards Shwuz. Your craftsmanship is always top notch.

I’m wondering about a couple of things- did you go with the hard edge all the way up the rail and the tuck under the tail like Griffin does? And is the deck on the bisect concave? How’s that work?

Can’t wait to hear ride reports.

Really nice work Shwuz ! Were did you end up finding the carbon rods and tubes (I’ll probably retrofit my tri-sect) ?