longer boards are coming to win us, coming to win us

OK, sorry about the Cat Stevens misquote in the thread title.  Maybe I should have called it “show us your longboards!”

longboards are a category unto themselves, with their own terms and design features.  Sure, they’re still a surfboard, so a lot of the generic surfboard terms apply equall to long or shortboards. 

But how about a thread just for longboards - designs and design features, post pics, talk story, tell us what you have, what you like, etc.

I’ll throw some basic ideas out, off the top of my head.  Correct me or direct me, I’m here to learn.  Love to get a glimpse into the esoteric world of longboard design.

How do you define a Mal, or Malibu?  I picture a 9-10 footer, 23" wide, 3 1/4" thick, round kinda spoon looking nose, very little rocker, soft rails all the way around, square tail about 9" wide, single fin, a little V out the tail.  Kinda the generic longboard that comes to mind when you hear the word longboard.

What is a Glider?  I’m gonna say its a longboard with a thinner template than a mal, pulled in nose that comes to a point rather than an arc, pulled in tail, could be rounded pin tail or square, diamond, or whatever, but not a wide tail.  Hard down rails in the tail, unlike the soft rails of a Mal.  Halfway between a Mal and a Gun - is this what is also called a “Tweener” by some?

High Performance longboard?  Dunno - help me out here.  OK, I’ll guess that it would have a more pronounced rocker throughout, especially in the tail, since its probably gonna be ridden off the tail more  than a standard longboard - modern hard down rails tail, probably thruster or quad fin setup, probably built and glassed lighter.  How am I doing?

Noserider - similar to a Mal, but with more rocker in the tail, and a scooped out teardrop in the nose for lift.

Belly - a gentle convex curve on the bottom from rail to rail, as opposed to a flat bottom, or a concave.

OK, that’s a start.  Anyone else care to share?

I fucking love my mal. Just so much fun to ride, and smiles all round. The other day the surf was waist high and fat, but the kids were at school, the wife was at work, the sun was shining, and fuck it, the boring, mundane day to day crap can wait a few hours!!. Practised my cross stepping ( with pretty good success i might add, though it probably didn't look pretty! ), and shared a line up with a few SUP'ers, who were friendly, and let me know when decent waves were coming, and shared them with me.

 

9'1'' x 22 1/2 x 3. About 18'' nose, 14'' round pin. Blended concave ( dont like it on windy days!! ) near the nose, to flatish, to rounded bottom through the tail. 50/50 rails through the middle to a bit of edge through the tail. The 10'' Big kahuna all by itself is so much fun.

 

I've also had a few surfs in head high + good shaped waves, and it went insane, Dropping in on big board is a great feeling.

 

 

Huck at first glance you seem to know most of the basics about the subject at hand, there are a few different styles for different types of waves and thought patterns. But there is a new sub section that has fractured the 9 ft plus catagory to make it more appealing and more marketable to a younger crowd, as of a few years ago longboard surfing was deemed for the 30 and over crowd the word Log, is the new hip.

So a log must be surfed without a leash at all times, have one fin that is glassed in, have a resin tint or pigment colour or combination of both, these boards are heavy glassed with 50/50 rails and no edges, are very difficult to ride at best in average conditions. 

The log rider are easy to identify as to rider will have alot of  facial hair, wear cardigans and lace up leather shoes without socks, in the surf they will wear shorter boardshorts, well above the knee, matched up with front zip smooth neoprene long arm vests, these are log riders and dont like being called longboarders.

The grand master of this movement is Thomas Campbell, so if there is any grey area consult his movies or book.

http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/slide-your-brains-out_88643/

As Frazier Smith used to say…“Too hip…gotta go”

95.5 KLOS…Los Angeles, Calif. Mid-70’s or so…best jock in LA…but Old Doc Fraiil on AM radio was brilliant also!! Anybody remember them?

 

Hey Rog, good link, bet its a cool book too.


I’m gonna throw some more longboard pics into the mix, from my archives

A few pics.



Hey Lowell looks like you’re turning out some nice stuff from your new shop!

I’m sure I don’t know much about the difference between a glider and performance longboard - my longboards seem to have fairly similar layouts (to my eye anyway) but ride very differently.  One is 10.0’ and the other is 9’2’.

The 10’ is really a glider for me, and the 9’2" feels like a performance board. Admittedly I have not ridden it much (I recently discovered I can no longer fit in my full suit and the water here has turned cold so I skinned it for about 20 minutes the other day because I couldn’t stand not having ridden it!) but it really rides completly different than my 10’ and other than the bottom contour they are relatively close.

The 10’ has a vee through the tail and the 9’2" has a double concave. 

I love longboard threads huck! I just sold my beloved Junod log to a friend who recently moved in front of a nice reef in the North coast (Arecibo PR), he needed it more than I did so now I am longboardless… I want to learn how to ride a pig late 50’s style so I need to get one of these for next summer:

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...a smile improves your face value.... :)   

 


...a smile improves your face value.... :)   

 

...and ....

 

 if they are 11' long , and bigger  .....

 

  are they called

 

  long  boards

 

  boats

 

  or

 

" tankers "  ???

 

 

  my 'Cooloola' is 18 1/2" n x  9'4  x 22 1/2"  x 3 1/8 " x 14" tail [  with a 4 1/2 " rounded square pod] ....

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10" back finbox , 7" up .

Side plugs , at 17 1/2" [?!] up . I like using a 7 1/2" single fin , as with 9' plus of rail , and small , relatively gutless summer waves here , this gives me all the hold I need.

 Occassionally , ' if ' it gets to head high and a bit more shallow / pitching , I add two small side fins ..either bonzer runners , small stabilisers , or a 2+1 sized GS or similar sized template , side fins . Nice to have a bit more thrust , and also hold , in more sideways drops , I have found , over the last four summers.

 

hey ,  just a thought ...

 

' IF ' it's a "high performance " longboard ...

 then , how come my surfing is so LOW performance on it ? [...and my mates , too ?!] 

 

:)

 

by the way ...

these , in the 'maladjusted', were FUN !

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[ from my 'archives'....An older shot ]

 

me, grovelling , in  ? 1986-9 ?  [Or , earlier , perhaps .....]

 

On an old Hansen , that a mate of mine scored ....

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[think I shoulda got a few more shots of the board !]

 

...meanwhile ,

 

  for the ...er...'purists ' [?!] , old school duudes , among us ....

this guy , [?santa?]  is riding a wide , 10' long , d-finned , bellied [?hull?] bottom mal ['longboard ? log?]  , one of two that his brother made ....

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 the nuisance brothers ....  I usually try to leave when they hit the water , as they refuse to wear leggies , drop in on everybody , and I have been hit by their boards previously , while taking water photos ...

 

.....which is why  I nowadays get in the water by 5am , and leave by 7am , latest  [shhhh .....don't tell anyone , okay ?! ...]

 

 

Would I be correct in referring to these two beauties (the boards!) as “gliders”?

Huck, I tend to call “gliders” boards that are well over 10 feet long; Like those:

 

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The board that John made for me and the one I made for him were both under 10’. Longboards, yes. Gliders? I don’t think so.

The first time I heard the term “glider” was around the time I heard the phrase “section-connector”. The idea is to get up momentum and speed and just keep going as far and as fast as you can in a straight line. Others can speak to the shape, but usually a “speed” shape, pulled-in both nose and tail, low rocker. I would think most fun for very specific breaks. Oh, and always longer than your garden variety longboard.