Magic shapes

Every board is magic waiting to be released…the magic is within us all …the unexplainable Yes I can validate this human effort amidst the malstrom and chaos to bring order to the most disorderly circumstance … to single out a specific board as magic is imposible for me as each has given me a glimpse of “magic” that opens my eyes to the grace we all live within…paddling against the wind down current on the push home to that last prone ride into the lagoon o’ home is a purity of magic…

The eminent development of the beach front up the coast from my house will surely affect the sanctuary i have enjoyed for the last 30 years but there will always be room for adapting a design to counter point the trickasaurs dangling from expensive apparatus unable to breathe the fresh scent of polynesian surfriding in the heart of Hawaiian surf riding grounds, Waipouli, … ambrose…Thank you TEDDY

I had a 6’ 4" G&S single fin diamond tail back in ‘75 that was “magic” for me. Turquoise opaque bottom and fuscia deck. Traded a pair of mag wheels for it ($50) from a non surfing friend that had it in his bedroom. Board was good but came alive when I dropped a wide base shallow raked fin in it. Picked the fin for its color not the shape…was coincidence and BAM! MAGIC! My surfing really took off. That was pre thruster days when glide and huge roundhouses (like Fitz at J-Bay…Any one remember that picture?..had it on my wall to study) were the thing. The board had history though. Had been stolen and passed around before I got it. Some kook paddled up to me out in the water one day and said “That’s my board” showed me the receipt at the car with serial #s and all! So I gave it back to him for a crumby piece of $hit he had. When I went by his house to pick up said piece of $hit he told me someone had stolen the G&S AGAIN!!! I wanted to cry. Have never had another that came close all these years. Have a 6’ 4" x 19 x 2.625 ready to sand right now…one of my designs… dubbed the “Ultra Fat Boy” (that moniker is for me not the board.) WE shall see…We shall see. If not MAGIC then there is foam and glass and resin aplenty and I shall not give up 'til I have what I want!

Feeling nostalgic… Big J-Bay…lots of torque…hard carves…Does anyone remember those pictures of Fitz???

Krokus

i’ve been blessed with 3 magic boards…all in good shape and ridden in the right conditions: 6’ gpang fx-1 (thruster), 5’11" brom fish, of course, shaped by the “magicman” himself, and 6’4" diamond tail single, also shaped by the magicman…

as some of you have already mentioned a board may be magic at a specific period in a surfers history and then the surfers technique moves on and new magic is required. I had two self built 5’ 10" twin fins that were magic in the 80s for me, one monolithic epoxy the other conventional.

Of my current active quiver of 5 or so boards only one is magic. For the last year and a bit I have been surfing a longboard friendly region and last winter was impressed by both the hp and old school moves being done and with my 8’ 4" mini LB stranded in Australia and summer approaching I decided to get something locally in N Cal. My experiences with the 8’ 4" weren’t great, grappling with all that length I found hard in anything above waist height, but a useful small wave implement.

so I balked at the full 9’ and ordered a round nosed 7’ 10", by a famous shaper and I’d seen the 7’ 6" version in the shop.

this type of board is well described on the surfline “anatomy of a surfboard” design page

http://www.surfline.com/sdg/features.cfm

but here is the text to save you searching

"Known also as the “mini-tank,” “beer belly board” and a host of other brand-model names, the funboard is out there in greater numbers than you might think – they’re the Volkswagen Beetles of the surfboard high-concept coterie.

The funboard is a textbook hybrid design. But instead of cobbling together the more potent elements from other surfboard types, this board picks whiffle ball components suited to novice or intermediate-level surfers.

It’s a compromise design, combining the superior paddling attributes of a longboard, but stripped of some of the unwieldy length and bulk so the rider may have a taste of shortboard maneuverability. The rails, outline and rocker are soft or neutral; and there’s plenty of thickness for comfortable flotation. There are no flats or edges to provide leverage or breakaway release. The funboard doesn’t set out to challenge the rider, but rather cossets him with reassuring mediocrity."

I had to wait a bit for the overseas shipment of the 7’ 10" and it wasn’t cheap either. Fortunately it was up to my expectations and went nicely in waist high surf, definately more manageable than my Australian mini LB but having sufficient glide and paddling power for me. Not what I call magic though.

On about my third use of it I misjudged the size of the surf and found myself in heavy overhead pt break waves, perfect material for my smaller hybrid which i had made specifically for these conditions.

The experience was incredible, the extra size made huge bottom turns possible, the speed built on the drop down the wave allowed my to run in front of the trough having enough momentum to pull back up into the face. Due to my upbringing in Welsh surf this is not something that i am a natural at. My favourite wave in Australia (Bells) did not encourage me to make this sort of move either. Bells can be surfed quite big due the deep channel but i found that the difficult sections could be made by running a high line where the wave was steep, that wave has a long sloping base.

anyway back to the overhead session in cali - huge roundhouse cutbacks were also possible on the egg/mini-tank, beer belly board or whatever you want to call it. I found myself hanging on and making climbs up onto the white water combined with a tail slide, ok probably only i knew the board was sliding but i was in the next level of happiness.

I used this board last week and felt i was having an off day then discovered that the centre fin had been knocked back 1/4". I used it again today, with its fin back in its normal place this board has not lost its magic at all.

I don’t actually believe in magic of course and nor am I a worshipper of any material, pu, eps, xps its all good when used correctly. So I attributed its performance to light weight and world class shape (Takayama).

I’ve changed my mind now, after having built my own sandwich board. They are a noisier when travelling over texture, but its the responsive feel of them I like (maybe the extra stiffness?). I now believe the sandwich construction of the Takayama egg has something to do with it.

But of course what is magic for me may not be magic for others and vice versa. I’ve seen a lot of pointless design arguments caused by failing to recognise the basic differences between surfers techniques and the different types of equipment needed to satisfy them.

I found sandwich board construction to be very labour intensive (see my vac bag project thread). This must be the reason why it was made overseas.



So is the board you are talking about a Takayama egg? If so, is it custom or SurfTech…just curious.

the first overhead experience on my Takayama egg was breathtaking, but at the same time disturbing. I always go to the beach with at least 2 boards and when I returned to my car I remember looking at my hybrid shortboard and wondering would i ever want to ride it again? But of course I haven’t abandonded the hybrid shape

hello foamdust, this pic should answer your question, the decal says tuflite

the magic tail has its rear fin 5" up and the front 13 1/2". For someone who claims not to follow any one religion I’ve had an almost supersticious aversion to experimenting with the movable rear fin and last week was the first time I tried it in a different position (by accident). But my instincts were right. its best right in the middle of the box. I put it there simply as a starting point and after that dream session just didn’t want to move it.

Hi MrJ

I respect your opinion about fin placement.

I have a different opinion, of course. I find that on my more aggressive surfing days, I like the fins either moved back (bigger, faster, stronger surf) or more forwards (smaller, mushier, weaker), sometimes even changing the tail fin sizing from 3" to 7.5", depending on all the different criteria, but especially surf size.

Having an immovable fin certainly makes the choices easier, and the board always DOES work. But fine tuning is a personal thing, and I for one, would be bored to death if I didn’t have at least some options on my fin placment, sizing, and style, depending on surf, my stoke level, and of course, frontside or backside.

I’ve found that those magic moments were often more attributable to the waves and general conditions than the board itself. Finding those conditions with the right board with the right fin(s) in the right place(s) makes all those “practice” sessions and all the equipment experimentation worth it. When the weather and swell get it together, your equipment is tuned and you catch some fun waves with your friends, any surfcraft can be magic.

an amazing thing about disc golf is the variability of performance. There are about 50 different long-distance drivers that you can buy, each comes in a range of weights, between 160 g and 180 g, in 1 gram increments. These discs look very much alike, with minor differences in the rails, but they fly very differently. Not only that, but a new disc does not fly well, it needs a break in period of a few hundred throws before it gets reliable, but when too old it craps out; i think flex is what changes over the lifespan. Differences invisable to the naked eye are totally obvious during a toss. Right now my favorite driver is a fairly new 174 g innova beast. This all makes me very happy, because tiny little differences make big differences. By extrapolation, we surfboard shapers will never run out of new shapes, weights and flexes to tinker with.

my preconception that the egg was best for small waves was blown out of the water that day. It was one of the last of the NW winter style swells in spring 2003. Another misconception was that I would be in desparate need of a small wave implement. My first summer in cali surprised me. The waves were maybe not as frequent, but the power did not stop, it came from a different direction - the south and one of the places I go focuses that direction very well.

A few magic carpets that have made their way into my life:

7’3" Andreini wing swallow single fin '70’s gun. Good in anything from knee high to double overhead. I had the best session of my life on this board, which actually belongs to a friend, and he won’t part with it!

6’2" single fin egg with a wing and a round pin – backyard special shaped by a friend from SoCal in 1999. The fin box leaks and there are a few open dings on it, but this board still gets wet on those special hot and glassy head high days.

6’6" Al Merrick MX 18 1/8" x 2 3/8" round pin thruster, shaped in the late 1990’s. The board would go anywhere I wanted to on a wave. I gave it away to a Tahitian kid a couple of years ago on a trip down there.

7’2" JC 18 3/4" x 2 1/2" round pin mini gun thruster. The ultimate mini gun that does it all – turns, tuberides, and slices through the face like a hot knife through butter. Got my tube of the winter on this one in December at an undisclosed location about 35 degrees north latitude.

8’0 Cippy Cabato single fin, which I bought second hand from a little hole in the wall surf shop in Waikiki in 1984. This board was the first to take me onto the green face, and later that summer, into a barrel on the inside at Queen’s Surf, Waikiki. My oceanic mama whom I won’t ever forget. I was a kid back then, so I traded it in a few years later to some surf shop owner for some other board that wasn’t even close to my Cippy.

Aloha…

so there are many days when 2 of my boards could work equally well, so like you LeeD I sometimes rely on my mood to make a decision. Weve had a number of online discussions which I have found fun and informative, i think we tend to differ more on tastes and experiences rather than design principles.

Yes Soup the tinkering must not stop or we will never learn. The tail end of my blob is loaded with boxes allowing me to try various twinzer and 2 + 1/2 setups. But there is only one magic setup - pure twin. I guessed 10 3/4" up - the long 6 6" of length and rounded pin I thought would need another 1/4" up on my standard twin fin measurement. Since the initial experimentation I only surf it as twin, so I suppose I’m more like you John. I’m actually too lazy to fiddle with fins ones I’ve found the right setup.

I’ve had a number of magic moments on my vac bag sandwich where i’ve built up enough speed to cover multiple sections of reef. But its not a magic board, possibly i wrecked it with the aysm tail, but i’ve learned a lot. I’ve gone only some of the way towards overcoming the off the lip stickiness. I have just one last option remaining - toe in the heelside fin more. But i’ve got a feeling LeeD is right and that the shape is working against me.

I have just measured the toe in on my magic egg, and the designer (Takayama I hope) has set the fins pointing 1 ft in front of nose. So this supports the idea that lack of toe in is not the cause of the problem on my vac bag hybrid. The egg does off the lips well, although its mini tank outline means it does a different sort of off the lip.

A  6’8" 11 1/2 x 19 1/2 x 14 1/2 thickness 2 5/8 squared off squash five fin bonzer that I shaped back in 94 also a 7’2" mini cal. gun round pin thruster 10 1/2 x 19 x 12 1/4 thickness 2 1/2  and one more that really stood out that I made was back in 1985 a 6’1" Thruster 12 1/2 x 21 1/2 x 15 1/4 thickness 2 3/4 soft bump soft squash tail it was amazing. I gotta make another one give to the kid across the street and get him off that thing that looks like someone took a long board chopped it in half and stuck some fins on it. I don’t care what anyone says those things are peaces of crap that any 5 year old could ride. Try riding something like this magic. By the way I’ll shape anyone a board for cost + $100.00







 Ya that board look pritty cool and it’s abonzer too? I ride a 9’6" retro single fin long board with a hatchit fin most of the time now. I was working at a guys house about 10 years ago and he had an original 9’6" Micky Dora dated 1963 in the garage. I begged him to sell it to me but he wouldn’t but he did let me make a template from it and it turned out to be sweet magic. Man were up kinda late if we want to surf tomarrow we better get some sleep crap I’m old. 

haha!  Cool old thread, thanks for bringing it back WC - that looks like an awesome stinger / swallowtail / bonzer!  I haven't tried a mini-simmons, but if anyone can ride them, maybe I should LOL!

My current favorite or magic is this 7'6" rounded pin hybrid bonzer.  Comes alive in 4-6' waves.  Its a hws, and I forgot to remove the vent plug for about a week - major delam issues resulted, and now it needs to be either repaired, or stripped / re-glassed.  I think I'll make another, too, so I have a backup!

 

I do not have a magic board (hopefully the indian will be magic :P)

But I have MAGIC FINS!

The FCS H2 large fins, they turn every board into a magic board. Even my 6’6"NSP becomes a good board with them! I’m 85kg (187lbs), I think that it is all about the size and stiffness of the H2 large fins, that’s what I need!

With the stock fins the NSP feels like I’m surfing on a sponge, with the H2’s it feels like a surfboard :smiley:

Haven’t tried them on my longboard yet. Need to have a FCS to US-box adapter.

 

My all time magic board is the 6'6 Richard Price shaped Natural Art I bought in 1989.  Its beat to hell and has had a fin nocked out and re-glassed but it still has all of its magic.  I have made 5 copies of this board over the years and so far only one of my copies rides as good or better than the original.  I drug this board out last fall for a hurricane swell in some solid well overhead beachbreak barrells last fall and was amazed at how well this board rode compared to the newer boards I had been riding.

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Darn near every board I've ever ridden was magic...for a while. Then you get in a situation that tests the board's design or construction and most of the magic rubs off.  

Well said, I agree almost every board I ride seems great and magical then that seems to fade, its my enjoyment on that board thats magic and the desire to ride it therefore my perception is that the board is special, but in reality, its just coz I am really liking the feelings its giving me at that point in time, coz the next board does the same for me too...perhaps I have a short attention problem coz after a few months ( sometimes shorter, much shorter ) I am ready for new feelings, wanting to alter the last one here and there to get some new feelings and to have that desire to ride a specific board again.....

I think we have memories of a few boards and probably relate to a time when you were really surfing well or getting great waves or both....I know my best boards are yet to come....and cant wait,, now thats magic.....

  1.  an 8’3" round pin I bought from Steve Walden in Hawaii in the early 80’s. It was his personal board.

  2. one of the first square nosed Herbie Fletcher longboards.