discussing a subject and DEBATING EVERYTHING are two different worlds. but to CHOOSE to be a part of someones game and to allow ourselves to play his hand so to speak, we then also become their enabler and encourage the undesireable behavior to escalate. Roy didn’t start out with the attitude that lately became the norm for him. the nice thing about the internet is that everything posted is recorded and can be recalled with total accuracy. Going back and reading his posts now with his wording and intonations being the interest instead of the subject matter, we can see the emotional change in his responses. We could have just stayed on the subject instead of becoming a puppet in his global internet mind games. “Let the mind rule the emotions, not the emotions ruling the mind. Avoid foolish disputes, they are unprofitable and useless;reject a divisive man,knowing that such a person is…”
MANY OF YOU GUYS JUST DONT GET IT!
Roy/Emma is getting exactly what he wants - he laughs at your every post and reply…all this sh_t is amusement for Roy/Emma.
He/she does not watch TV…this is his only form of entertainment outside of his immediate family. Its like a Reality TV show and Roy is the star…delusional megalomania…get it?
You don’t fool me Roy/Emma…go ahead keep laughing…just don’t spittle on your keyboard, it might malfunction.
BAHAHAH BAHHAHAHH OOOH OHOHO…BA HAHAHHA!!!
Well there are many cases where it isn´t easy to tell who´s right and who´s wrong. But to tell the truth it´s never a good idea to shout someone´s mouth by banning him. Sure it´will smarter without some guys but we are all at the age that we can think our own thing about what someone writes. But for me it´s like sending guys out of the water. Are we better ones so that we can tell who´s good and who´s not. There are members from many countries, cultures and religions in this forum. They have all their own understanding of what´s acceptable in this forum. You know that many people here in Europe say(not my opinion): “Well this Jerks from America haven´t got a clue of live, They have bad manners because they have nearly no culture”. But i guess thats not the way you Americans want to be judged. isn´t it? So i guess we all should understand that not all of us are equal. There are several differences in our culture which makes others not getting our point. i.e. sarcasm,… I don´t think Roy is a saint. But to kick him out of our minds is also to narrow our minds. And narrow-minded is not the way i want to be So please don´t practice censoreship anymore in such easy cases. I guess there are other cases where it will be clear but in such cases it will only head in the wrong direction cheers clemens
I suggest you all keep your views strictly polyester and standard Clarck foam. None of that Epoxy, Styrofoam and wood Cr@p or else you will be banned.
Oops I said Clark that’s advertising and Cr@p that must be foul language.
Oh well I guess I will see some of you at Surfermag.com
So please don´t practice censoreship anymore…
I agree. Let’s not practice sensorship to everyone except the megalomaniac proudly brandishing the swastika logo…
After the first few Roy posts I stopped reading them… because of the amount of arguing going on…by Roy and others - (I just looked at the pictures of his son’s boards progress and his boards and fins - which are interesting).
That’s the beauty of an online forum. I suggest others do the same.
Banning him may have been 100% correct. I have no idea who was abusive - but it always takes two to tangle. This is a great forum to get and give info, and tell what has worked for you personally. Beyond that it’s just words and egos. Trying to prove how cool (or right) you are on-line is futile - I proved that myself a number of times on the Surfer BB a few years back.
A little Kindness and forebearance goes alot further.
PS: Emma is my 7 year old daughter’s name. Personally - I like it - and I see no reason to believe that Emma is Roy. Let it go please.
Eric J
I want to move to New Zealand. Apparently the Kiwis lead the league in free time.
I’ve gotten into it with Roy a few times at the surfermag site, but I usually go back to my pops saying “don’t argue with a moron, people might not know the difference, you know, who’s the actual moron”.
I’ve read this thread, and did a search on his posts at surfermag. It’s pretty hard to find one where he’s not being insulting. I agree that people that act like know it alls have no place on these forums simply because they eventually chase away the good informative posters that make up the “good” vibe and wealth of info available here. Being a know it all, and being an insulting jerk are 2 different things. Being both is nearly untolerable. I think the decision was right. Maybe give him another chance, but not 2 or 3 more.
This one is typical Roy:
It’s always annoying when I come across someone who can type but can’t think!
How can you say that someone who wears ‘different’ clothes is therefore a complete idiot? Your own idiocy, which is revealed by your almost brain dead ideas, defies belief.
Surfboards don’t have to be environmentally unfriendly either. You are absolutely stupid.
3 to correct spelling/grammar flames
6 to argue over whether it’s “lightbulb” or “light bulb” … another 6 to condemn those 6 as stupid
LokBox, perhaps you could also post whatever your statement to Roy was that prompted him to reply as he did. I seem to remember it being equally as rough and therefore you equally as guilty. Fess up.
That wasn’t a reply to me, just a random thread. We got into it a little over epoxy stuff. It really wasn’t that big of a deal. I’ve dealt with way worse people on both forums. Just wanted to agree with some of the replies, and make a comment that repeated sh!t slinging doesn’t make alot of friends. This should be used as an example for others. People should respect these sites for their purpose. A helpful venue for beggining as well as veteran board makers, and everyone in between. I’ve seen certain individuals chase away many helpful posters. I’ve never abused my priveledge of being able to post here(hopefully).
well this has got to be the hot topic of the moment…
personally i was a little bummed roy got banned , i certainly hope it is just temporary…
roy added some colour …
roy! before i say my peice on the banning issue , i would first like to clarify my own position towards you , and what i feel about swaylocks in general …
i did say once , that you pissed me off …
that wasnt a personal attack …
that was me telling the world how you made ME feel …it was more a comment about my feelings not your character…
also i dont put up pictures of every board i build ,my main focus or objective when putting up a board , is if it is out of the norm , like a customer who is unique or has a particular need , a lot of boards you would find in your average shop suit your average surfer ,i thought it would be helpful to show boards built for your not so average surfer , for whatever needs or wants they may have , my main motivation was to help the people out there who havent found that magic board yet , who may come across something , they either hadnt thought of yet or werent advised by there current shapers or retailers…
swaylocks …what else could i say ,the oasis in the dessert ,how many people come in here and say WOW!!! they are so happy theyve found it …
it is truly unique in this material world we live in , and there is a certain vibe that is very welcoming and warm …
i think the choice of moderators makes alot of difference to the overall atmosphere and vibe of the site …
imagine the mood in here if guys like blindboy , marz,the equaliser or roy were appointed as moderators…all of which have posted defamotory and iconoclastic comments towards individuals all of which had no relevance to the actual thread being discussed …keeping to the subject matter is an important part of the program , that way anyone wishing to benefit from the wealth of information found here , doesnt have to file through pages and pages of useless tripe and personal bickering , derogatory and defaming comments …
while i do sort of agree with halycon and wahoo and a few others about being old enough not to need censoring …
if i look at my own 2 kids , cain and able , tom and jerry ,itchy and scratchy,
the oldest one tom says " jerry is anoying me" i say " no , hes not anoying you, your being anoyed by him , so who really has the problem???"
having open sometimes heated debate is just part of the package ,we can use logic , present an argument in such a way that it should be clear to all …if one person or indeed all involved dont get our point or continue in a way that defies logic or common sense based on our previous reasonings , then we reserve our right to leave a particular discussion …no point hanging around fueling a dicussion that just annoys us , when nothing is being gained by anyone…
its just human nature that in any group of people a pecking order gets established , always within that group we find people finding the boundries of how far they can push another person before they respond …ive got friends , some can take a joke , others cant , somewhere along the line you had to find that out , usually the hard way …
a wafer thin disposable polyester board, a lightweight epoxy board , a heavy retro log ,a moulded asian popout,a custom sandwich epoxy,a clean conventional board, or a handcrafted hollow wooden board , isnt the answer for every surfer, but it is the answer for some surfers…
roy in case you missed it , that last paragraph was for your benifit,
welcome to swaylocks … enjoy , make yourself at home … respect the other guests…
regards
BERT
thanks again to mike and the moderators … you guys do a great job …i wouldnt want your position …
your damned if you do and your damned if you dont…
Actually just re-read the thread, and the kid over at surfermag, called Roy an idiot first. Bad example. My apologies. But there’s plenty more where that one came from. I just think Roy could lighten up a little, and people would be cool with him. I don’t think banning is cool, but sometimes it’s necessary. If the moderator is getting flooded with complaints, he has to make a decision…
This is ridiculous.
I am a new shaper and all I want is a place to find info, get advice, look at cool boards, learn, bounce ideas of people, etc.
I’ve been a part of other forums on other subjects and it’s always the same thing–someone or a group of people get into petty arguments (via computers, I might add! what kind of nerds are we???) about things that don’t really matter. Someone gets banned and pretty soon the whole form has a “used” feeling to it.
Here are the lessons I’ve learned (take 'em or leave 'em).
Get over the personal attacks, stop banning people (they always come back under new names anyway), and please everybody, realize that you are fighting with people via the Internet!!! If that’s not the lamest thing in the world, I don’t know what is!
Please, you’re making us all look like the fat guy in the Simpsons! Who knows how many good shapers have been turned off by EVERYBODY’S comments, not just Roy and whoever doesn’t like him!
Just an opinion… 
I’m new here. New to surfing as well. I was fortunate enough to find this forum shortly after becoming disgusted with the flame filled posts at Surfermag. My opinion probably means squat, but I’ll state it anyways.
The first thing that impressed about this forum was the general civility and cool vibe that existed. Even when disagreements arose, they were generally polite disagreements, with a few notable exceptions, Roy being one of them, IMHO.
While his posts were generally very well written, there was always a caustic underbelly. Little jibes here and there that seemed to me to be baiting people to argue with him. At first, I chalked this up to perhaps some past situation that created a bit of a furvor. Then I noticed it even when searching the archives, always the same rhetoric. Very argumentative, quick to put down others ideas and vehemently defend his own. While there were cruder insults flung in a few posts, most were the occasional outburst from someone, but it seemed that EVERY post the Roy participated in turned OT and quickly degenerated into insults between people trying to act intellectual.
My general rule of thumb is to not feed trolls, and frankly, the majority of posts I personally read that Roy posted in were obvious (IMHO) attempts to troll. Starting an argument for arguments sake. I think diversity is good, but if you can’t offer a diverse opinion AND be willing to accept that some people disagree, then you really should start your own forum where you can insult the world using all the high-minded speech you can muster (mavsurfer.com forums come to mind). Doesn’t matter how intelligently an insult is written, it’s still an insult.
Anyway, it’s sad that he had to be banned. I don’t consider it censorship though. As has been pointed out, this isn’t a public forum. You have to register, and it’s privately owned. It’s too bad Roy’s pride got in the way of a simple, “Sorry Keith, didn’t mean to get you all riled up. Peace.” Then this whole situation could’ve been avoided.
Last point is this: I also notice that Keith has some of the most aloha filled posts on this forum…always willing to help out newbs, offers to have people come to his house to shape, very polite and supportive. He simply asked Roy to chill with the snide remarks. He didn’t ask Roy to keep his opinions to himself. Roy was too proud to do that. I think Mike put it best when he said that it’s not what Roy says, but how he says it. Simple as that.
Anyway, my two cents which probably aren’t worth a wooden nickle. 
BTW, Hi everyone! Love this forum.
All right, let him up,he’s had enough.
if we limit our discussions to those things with which we are familiar, then how can we open our minds to those things with which we are not familiar?
so we got to see lots of pictures of roy in longhandled red flannel underdrawers and a helmet riding a 20’ board straight off in the white water. so what?
i sure as hell never saw anything like that before!
so he loudly defended his own opinions and would go on at length and deride opinions of others at times. so what?
at least, he, unlike the FP would post up pictures of his efforts.
i was reading the archives the other day, and i was amazed at the enormous amount of genuine board building information that was passed about in the first year or two. way before i started to read/participate on this forum.
now…i’m not so sure that we don’t all know everything that there is to know, about board building, and are simply saying the same things over and over again.
so maybe now the focus has shifted, from craftmanship, to conversation and debate and opinions.
you know how it is about opinions and assholes. everybody’s got one.
this is mine: let him talk. i don’t have to read or respond.
and i sure will miss those pics.
Me and Kokua have been around here for a long time.I have to agree that all of this is pretty lame and I am not taking sides for or against anybody.I can see where Mike Paler is coming from on this deal.This is a great site if you seek information on building surfcraft.All of the arguing doesn’t fit the Swaylock’s criteria.A difference in opinion is healthy but yelling doesn’t accomplish anything at all.I can remember going toe to toe with Greg Loehr and some of the other guys on the great “Acetone Debate” and “Poly versus Epoxy” but it never even got close to anything personal and a lot of good info was exchanged.In a nutshell it’s not the opinion that matters…just the way you present it.I am with Kokua and feel that enough has been said.Peace Brothers. RB
This is ridiculous!!!