Need help figuring out why a board sucks +(new pics)

Lee, I had a tri performance LB with G-5 side fins (FCS). It was the first EPS that I had done for myself in many a year, it was from a molded blank and gave very little room to hand shape. I had taken a inch off the bottom as it was way too thick, but with a pre molded contour I had moved it all up into the crown of the deck rail.

When I first rode it, it was soooooooo sticky, it went into the bottom and just plain stuck into the trough, then while trying to turn, would go into a kick out with out being able to change direction.

Greg Loehr stopped by to see me and I brought out my board and told him of my problem, I thought I had not enough rail (they were super thin), he took one look and said " your side fins are too big" (the same fins that are on your board ) I always used a much smaller side fin, made myself a new pair, much smaller and the board rode like my best friend until it commited suicide at Sunset Beach

Lee, I might have to pull backon this. I can’t remember why I have this nuggest fixed in my brain. I might remember when I go and page through my boards.

I remember now that I replaced a set of glass FCS AMs with the plastic equivalents (which are sloppier and a touch smaller) in a board that I kept buring the nose of in turns. This seemed to free up the nose of the board and limit the problem. This might just be the same phenomenon being described above in using smaller sidebites to loosen up the tail.

I get what you guys are saying but the board is already very loose and I can’t really understand how

loosening it even more will solve the “burrying the nose and catching the rails” problem.

I’m not saying I’m not goint to try everything you suggested, I’m just interested in more info on how exactly

it works.

since a “Turn” remains a “Turn” , how does the change of fins help not catching nose and rails?

sorry for all the Q’s and thanks for taking the time and answering them,

if you’re tired from me I will accept a " just try and see it by yourself " answer :slight_smile:

Lee

The larger area, and toe-in of the side fins, are NOT allowing the tail to ‘‘sink’’ in a turn, and thus elevate the nose. Remove, or greatly reduce the sides, and life will change. There is also a counter intuitive possiblity. Move the fin all the way back, forcing you to step farther back to initiate a turn, which will elevate the nose, reducing or eliminating the nose digging in. Start trying things, and observe the results. See if anything changes for the better.

Thanks,

now It’s all clear :slight_smile:

I’ll post again after surfing…

good day,

Lee

Is the centre fin in the board (in the pics) the fin that comes with it?

Just curious since McTavish has always been such a strong advocate of the Dolphin/Greenough fin type.

Lee

Changing your fin setup will be the best way to blend your surfing style to the performance of the board. Like Bill said keep changing the mix till you find your preference.

Another thing I believe when tuning a board is to ride it without a legrope.

This makes you slow it down a little and surf more smoothly allowing you to concentrate on what the board is doing and how it feels through your turns without over amping ,the biggest reason most surfers bog turns on new boards.

Relax , have fun and enjoy the ride.

Cheers

Mooneemick

WOOOOOO HAAAAAA

that’s the sh*&@t

so … went to sleep at 5am… no waves in sight,

9am I get a wake up call from my uncle asking me to check with my friends if anyboby

knows of breaking waves at the beach ( open beach breaks) . BTW, he lives right infront of the best spot in Israel which is a reef point break that start working only when the surf is high…

so… continue with the story…

nobody answers the phone so I opened the internet to check the cameras at the beach… only one surfer with

0 waves… so I call my uncle back and tell him that there isn’t any sign for waves… not even ripples.

AND THEN HE SAYS -

LEE take a shortboard and come immidiatly… it works! It works!!

10 min’s took me to jump up from my bed take my 6’2 dsd Luciano and ofcource the Mctavish and get to his house.

were standing at his porch, holding our heads… It’s fu%$ing Indo !! I say… let’s go!!

chest high ,perfect transparent clear blue waves , sun, slight offshore wind… NO surfers!!!

only one guy which olso lives on the beach surfing a G&S nose rider.

definatly one of the best sessions I had in my life.

I took out the side bites and left only the single fin at the position Thraikill sujested… WOW … what a board… What a wave…

I’m so freaked out I can’t stop smiling.

thanks everybody,

love you all

Good night

Lee

maybe I need to change the topic to :

" figuring out why a SURFER suck"

OR

" figuring out why Swaylocks is the best!! "

yesturday’s session, got some pics…

could do better but this is what he caught:

btw , I went to some all_board_out totaly vertical manouvers… felt real great with a 9’1under my feet. unfotunatly no pics of that…

there where some nice tubes and I was

surprised how well the thin pin tail holds in the pocket , specially when I was laid back.

I’m used to boards that tend to slide instead of biting the wave’s face and generating speed.

Hey Lee Jordan

I get full on stoke after that ride report, so good to read!!

Word up!

Wouter

Hi Lee -

As is often the case, a fun session in good waves can change everything.

Just for kicks, slide a 5" trailer fin in the longbox. Try it back, centered and forward… in decent waves. You might like it even better. Then again, it might suck worse. Never hurts to try!

5" trailer instead of the 8.5" or in addition to it?

I was thinking of making a fin with the idea of the turbo tunnel fin in mind.

I know it’s more suited for noseriders but maybe it’ll do good to this board by

holding the tail in the water and lifting the nose and loosening the board even more.

do you think it’ll do good?

thanks,

Lee

Still curious if the centre fin is the standard fin?

I have a 9’2" with very similar measurements to your McT and use a 6.5" fin in the centre box with sidebites (lots of rake in the sidebites) which I’m very happy with.

Hi Lee -

Instead of the current fin but placed at the back of the box for starters. If you can find one with a cutaway base and screw tab in front, even better. You’ll likely find it works best at the back of the box… like a standard thruster position.

Robin Mair has a design he calls a “Thumb” fin that he offers in sizes from 4" to 10" in 1/2" increments. His name on Swaylocks is “Handshaper.” He can probably hook you up with something in that size range… I said 5" but 6" would be something different from what you have. Either one might be fun to play around with.

tell you the truth? I don’t know!

when the board arrived at our shop I went into the storage room ( which I have acsess to since i’m workin there duhh)

and picked up the straightest fin i could find.

after a few days ( and after readind your question on sways) I went in there again and found a fin with Mc-T logo on it.

it’s shorter ( maybe 6.5" or 7 ") , more rake and more base…

it looks so " regular" and boring that I wasn’t even thinking of trying it.

we also got some other Mc-T models so I’m not even sure to which of them it belongs.

I’ll do some homework and try to give you an absolute answer.

John, 10X for the input.

I’ll look at Robin’s fins and maybe try to make one of my own. ( would he mind?)

btw- 5" single fin for a longboard sounds a bit crazy , don’t you think?

what should I expect from the board if mounting such a small fin?

I think I’ll lose the tail a lot specially in steep drops and hard B.turns which will be impossible.

am I wrong?

Hi Lee -

Sorry if I wasn’t clear… the small center fin would be with side bites.

On the fin, think Squirrel, FCS “Fatboy”, or something along those lines but no need to copy anyone. Basically a smooth arc cutaway to the trailing edge with a fat tip.

ok , got it! thanks.

when I rode it as Quad or as 2+1 it burried the nose and rails.

with single it never happened ! now putting the SB’s again… ???

even as a thruster there will be greater lift at the tail causing all the bad stuff I’m trying to avoid.

corect me if I’m wrong.

quote from Mc-T website :


"

Fin set-up:

Chinook style centre finbox with 6” or 7” hand-made fibreglass McTavish fin +

FCS GX-Q dual-density foam-core side fins

FCS MR-TX glass-flex Quad set (optional) "


McT makes only 6" and 7" fins with very standard template

and therefore I get to the conclusion - this board was meant to be ridden with

6" - 7" boring fin :slight_smile: