In this photo I am riding 6'7" McCoy nugget, this one likes a little juice and to be surfed off the back foot.
Sorry about that the photo didnt come through, will try again.
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Getting back to singles, the MSF I had was a 5'9" and had a pretty hefty single to double concave and a modern foil-features I never had on any of my boards when I was a kid. Now, I'm definitely no Reynolds/Machado/Horan, but I could put that board anywhere I wanted on the wave, float sections, pop the odd air and get vertical on it. It was a little small, so I had someone size up a 5'10" off the same board on an APS 3000 and loved it. I could ride it in kneehigh mush and solid pointbreak surf and it went great. My feet certainly weren't close together during turns, but I did relish driving off the front foot and shifting to the tail to turn. I think this could be the issue maybe??
Now, I'm pretty sure that McCoy has a board that could work even better than that 5'10", but I just need to find it! The 6fter I had just seemed way too big and while I hear of people not being able to spin them out, mine seemed to pop out on almost every other backside bottom turn, particularly if it was bumpy and onshore. I spoke to Geoff about fin placement and went by his advice and I was consciously heavily weighting my back foot over the fin while surfing it, too. Other times I loved it, particularly in big, clean lefthand barrels (which happens infrequently in this neck of the woods)
Thanks, Tommy.
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I never used to have my feet close together either. Looks like you like front foot surfing. It might be that the other surfer I mentioned also likes front foot surfing. Wide taiiled singles are not everyone's panacea, but they do cover quite a spectrum. IMO Did you ever try a Lazor Zap? Those are more snappy than nuggets in my opinion.
Hi everyone, McCoy crew here.
We won’t be on here often, but when there is something we feel is important to McCoy riders we will try to respond.
There has been some questioning of something i believe Cheyne said re it taking two years to get used to a board. In essence its a true statement, but you must understand that Cheyne is a unique surfer and his statements relate to an amazing understanding of surfing.
What Cheyne is saying is that to fully understand the object your surfing in the many types of water tension that are waves, it will take approx two years because it will take that long to face all types of wave conditions and to understand yourself and the object your surfing on in all those variations that nature throws at us surfers.
Know for certain that Cheyne rips from the first wave, and you can to. But to fully understand a board it takes time.
There are many things most of you don’t even realise in surfing. And you don’t have to, your just out there to enjoy it.
But true designers of surfboards are working with curves and water tension on the wave face, and that water tension is constantly changing every second your riding the wave. Hense the need for total understanding of how a wave works so you can design an object that will flow smoothly with all those changes.
Surfing has been sold up the tube by an industry hungry for profits. True knowledge is hard to find. That is knowledge built on a lifetime of experience. You dont need a licence to build or sell surfboards. Anyone can open a factory or shop, or get a job in a shop tomorrow and claim they are an expert. That’s what happends and ignorance flourishes in that envirorment. The media has for the most part been in bed with the major advertisers and as marketing is all about control of information you have all been fed lies. Those lies have made those who have controlled the flow of information very rich, but the art of surfing died for these people a long time ago… And pro surfing is the greatest of those manipulations.
But the world is changing. There are new ways for truth to find its way in the world, so keep your eyes and ears and mind open and watch surfing once again become an avenue for open expresion.
It will take time for sure, but all you guys opening yourselves up to new experiences in surfing are making it happen.
Cheers Marc
McCoy Surfboards
To the guy who thought he may be one who it would take a few boards to get it right, i'd love to have a chat with you. so if you can give me a call on 0413080909. Or email mlasurf@hotmail.com.
Cheers Marc
McCoy surfboards
Gday all, first time post here but I've been PMing Glaucus about an additional McCoy for my quiver - thanks mate you were great help.
I've posted heaps of my thoughts/ravings over on MagicSeaweed if you are thinking of a Stumpy or a Potbelly as I've got both in 6'0 thruster models. I just can't make the leap to a single because I've never ridden any single. I have a 6'3 Stumpy on order for bigger days. I'm 5'10, weigh 80kg. Went to Tonga earlier in the year up to head and half and the Stumpy held as well as every other 7'0 board the mates were riding and took more critical drops although I was far from the best surfer.
Stumpy is 6’0 x 13½ (30cm from nose) x 19½ x 17 (30cm from tail) x 3
Potbelly is 6’0 x 16¼ x 20¾ x 17¼ x 2¾
I find the Stumpy better for critical drops and bottom turns (the Potbelly needs to be laid over like a Mal with the nose and shoulders lifted out of the water or it either bogs or pushes away from the correct line ie tries to straighten out.)
The Potbelly is better on fatter waves and does well in smaller mushy stuff, but will still handle size – I’ve ridden it in 8’ solid waves that weren’t overly steep and it went pretty well too. I just can’t seem to make steep drops on the bugger though. If I can get on and down, then it can handle just about anything the Stumpy can.
Geoff assures me it would actually go better in a barrel than the Stump because of the parallel rails. Can’t say I’ve had the chance to test it to date.
The reason I've gone a bit bigger is only for the paddle in when there is strong offshore or a lot of water movement pushing up the face to contend with.
What I'm starting to wonder is once I've got the 6'3 whether it will actually paddle so well in small Sunny Coast mush, as well as the big days, that I can actually offload the PotBelly and get a single!
Sorry if this is hijacking the Zot thread but new to Swaylocks and this was the closest thing to a McCoy thread I found.
Cheers
Kookster
Yep. Zot will slot in pretty well right where your thinking. Be prepared for a new experience,
Call myself on 0413080909 or Geoff 0266853227
Cheers Marc
Gidday Ako.
I have a question.
A few surfers on the Tree to Sea wooden surfboard builders forum have been discussing the nugget design and are considering building wooden nuggets.
Is Geoff McCoy cool with people building a wooden board for themselves based on his design?
There are many opinions and ideas floating about re the nugget design. Most of those opinions and ideas revolve around thinking the nugget is a retro design. This is a false notion.
In the 40+ years i've been involved in surfing there has never been anything i am aware of that uses the design principles that the nugget range follow. If anything these designs are futuristic. Their planshape curves, rails and hull combination have never been used in such a format. In fact outside of Geoff, this hull design has not even been concieved of.
Therefore to shape it without understanding the contures and how to blend them will most probably prove difficult. It takes knowledge based in experience. To even understand what your looking at will test you. Remember this ... Geoff has worked for near 50 years to aquire the knowledge and the skills in craft to produce his boards.
But by all means have a go.
Like in Blues Music, there's no stealing here, just absorbing and creating. What you will end up creating will carry your own vibe though it may be based in what we are doing.
It is a lot easier to ride a surfboard and right it off than it is to look at yourself in terms of surfing technique, and understand the design of the object your riding and how to surf it. Remember this when you put your finished product into the water.
We wish you best
Cheers Marc
Pinnypinny,
Here is a compsand nugget style board I did, the goujon. Wood suits the shape, the owner gets a lot of attention with it under his arm.
Nuggets are a difficult board to shape and you need one to hand for reference. Even surfing it for a couple of years it take that long to figure out whats going on and why so that you can at least semi-duplicate one. The worst thing you can do is make assumptions based on the way other boards are shaped and their design features. Basically forget everything you know and start again. Everything in a nugget is unique, volume, rails, fin templates, contours etc. There a lot of counterbalances in there to keep a neutral feel.
So I would say If you have a nugget for reference, maybe have a go, it would be a pretty board. Otherwise, it could be a real dog.
Thanks for the reply Ako.
Burnsie, I agree, having a nugget to measure and copy from would be the go.
After all designing and building a hollow wooden surfboard is just reverse engineering.
I strongly believe that the nugget design is more suited to wood than any other design, wood boards are a few kgs heavier than fibreglass boards so the extra volume of a nugget design will mean more air inside and get the board sitting up on the water, with the extra weight giving it momentum.
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Pinnypinny,
Here is a compsand nugget style board I did, the goujon. Wood suits the shape, the owner gets a lot of attention with it under his arm.
Nuggets are a difficult board to shape and you need one to hand for reference. Even surfing it for a couple of years it take that long to figure out whats going on and why so that you can at least semi-duplicate one. The worst thing you can do is make assumptions based on the way other boards are shaped and their design features. Basically forget everything you know and start again. Everything in a nugget is unique, volume, rails, fin templates, contours etc. There a lot of counterbalances in there to keep a neutral feel.
So I would say If you have a nugget for reference, maybe have a go, it would be a pretty board. Otherwise, it could be a real dog.
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McCoy had folks attempt to duplicate them in the days of the zap also. One of the reasons the plan shape took off with thrusters instead of singles. The other shapers of that time attempted to apply their own ideas to a proven design and their versions just didn't work well when it counted. There are examples of that today even. Most shapers I know give Geoff's designs a hard time, but still attempt to copy them. They work because Geoff invented them, shapes them the way he does, rides them and is a designer and not a duplicator. Like Marc is mentioning...Geoff's planshape, bottoms and rails are unique to him. I wouldn't call it rocket science, but I would say most are don't have enough experience to see what's going on with the design really. Especially because most don't actually ride the design. I can count on two hands the amount of times I have ridden anything else in the last few years.
Nice shape by the way.
pinny
I think you are spot on with the volume and weight and momentum theory. I think this is partly why some people struggle with the concept of the nugget before they ride one. I have no doubt there's a magic spell that Geoff casts on every board as well.
My new 6'3 Stumpy should be glassed this week with any luck. Mucho excited!
Story on the master himself with the Zot...
http://www.coastalwatch.com/news/article.aspx?articleId=7567&cateId=3&display=0
And nothing to do with McCoys but just some super cool surfing...
http://www.coastalwatch.com/news/article.aspx?articleId=7552&cateId=86&display=0
I really like Jeff, He reminds me of my Granddad. Passion and self beilef. legend!
Geoff surfing the Pass yesterday.
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Geoff surfing the Pass yesterday.
http://www.inbyronbaytoday.com/
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Bryon looks like paradise to me.
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Geoff surfing the Pass yesterday.
http://www.inbyronbaytoday.com/
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Bryon looks like paradise to me.
You know what they say about calling a place paradise.