I will cruise by the shop and check out the material. Maybe we used slightly different stuff? It was hard to wet out and the rails took a lot of care to make the laps? Not production friendly from a conventional point of view. However we did all the layups by hand. The end results was great as far as strenght/weight ratios. The material was made in North Carolina and is US Patent.
Huie here's the PD:
SD
Josh,
Since it is plastic it just wants to fuzz up. I had a spot or two where I sanded through and I just did a small repair over the area. The stuff I used came out super white and was somewhat transparent. I will take some pics today.
Dave
g-w-c-s,
Roy at Ocean Sports World is a distributor for the cloth. He has been building with the stuff for a year or so. I believe it was one of his boards that is shown under the truck.
Dave_D
Thanks Dave. I thought that was one of their boards. I would assume this cloth would not be as good on painted foam since it has been described as somewhat transparent and whitish?
Huie… i have almost finished my first whole roll of the stuff. my glasser hates it as its like violane to wrap around rails. we always put under 1 layer of 4oz. first impressions were it has a high dent resistance but after a couple months i would now say it has a high dent Resiliance. it is reasonably opaque and i have used it over foam sprays. it tends to soften the color a little. the weave look is prominent. i have been calling it “Ghost carbon” as to customers it looks like carbon or kevlar but white. my favourite thing about it is that it does not seem to alter the flex feelings of a board compared to the difference you normally get with carbon “stiffer etc”. so carry on boys enjoy testing! oh josh contact Colan direct
. so carry on boys enjoy testing!??
so dave you mean we are wasting our time jeez’’
Sounds like a good candidate for vac bag laminating to me.
I am just curious, is there a specific ( or a few different ) online catalog or suppliers for various, for materials like this? I had a shortboard done with a kevlar deck patch, not vacuumed by Todd Proctor and the thing is crazy indestructable.
T.
Maybe DAVE wants to keep it for himself so he's trying to throw us off the bus?
my glasser hates it as its like violane to wrap around rails.
i dont understand ? volane glass was all we ever used once
**seems like time has softened some glassers haa’’
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Huie, i think its the heat treatment thats made my glassers soft… (they work upstairs in a tin factory) haha. i thought i gave some clear feedback on my experiances with Inegra. i actually like it to use on boards. but like anything a little different to the norm you have to adapt your techniques to suit it. it definilty does suit vacuum bagging and some of those nice projects you do Huie.
yes dave from what i can see so far you are spot on.
the 2 oz fills in a link for me in vac baging
but i want to see how well it goes for ‘‘deck destroyers’’ with p u epoxy & even pu pe
**i feel like a truck driving test coming on haaa’’
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feraldave,
do you have any tips on what to do differently when glassing?
do you use innegra and standard 4oz together and if so do you wet them out at the same time?
i have some samples of the 2 and 4oz to try for my next one and as i only do 1 a year i dont want to stuff it up.
what would be the optimal usage for it if i have some 1.5lb eps? i am tossing up between just the cloth and epoxy or doing a bamboo veneer in between the innegra and 4oz.
thanks,
Scot
Feraldave,
In addition…
We’ve (i.e. the "professor who is mentoring me and me the inept grasshopper) just done one with innegra under 4oz. This made rail wrap easy and removed issues sanding the lap.
Any suggestions for how to get innegra into both top and bottom lams?
Also, if the innegra is really flexy, should the blank have a bit of stiffness (i.e. no stringerless 1.5lb EPS)
I appreciate your time, thanks,
Red
On the WMD thread Huie mentioned doing a 2oz prelam of this stuff and using it like a veneer. This is something I’ve been kicking around since this thread came up. I like the idea of bagging on a veneer but to be honest the idea of a transparent or semi-transparent cloth-based veneer is a lot more visually appealing TO ME than using the various woods.
Originally my thought was to just bag the cloth directly onto the deck and bottom like an insert without even trying to wrap the rails, or perhaps just skip the bag altogether and wet lam them, and then do a regular wet lam with the outer glass as usual.
I have several questions - Does anyone have an opinion of how a layer of this 2oz or (if available) 4oz compares to a layer of the bamboo? Is there a strength or compression advantage to doing a prelam of it and then bagging that vs bagging a wet lam directly into the deck or bottom? If you did do a prelam would it wrap to the contour of the deck or bottom when bagged?
I’ve got two boards that are ready for glassing right now and I wanna try this stuff but I don’t want to reinvent the wheel if I can help it. If anyone has any input to share I’d greatly appreciate it. If not then I guess I’ll just pull the trigger and let you know how it goes.
Follow Huie's advice!
Strange but I cant find any information on this product's thickness considering it would work best as a core in a sandwiched skin.
Other than potential to reduce a little weight, the pros (physicals) as compared to the cons (workability/cost) dont seem all that impressive. I could be wrong.
The truck video is impressive but very little is known about the board's actual construction. Ive done similar truck testing on bare eps foam. You'd be surprised how well the stuff holds up.
Having said that, I would like to sample the stuff. Would be good to know the weight and thickness.
I must say, it looks like the Coil boys have been getting similar field proven results for far longer.
6 WOODS CLOSE
HUNTINGWOOD NSW
AUSTRALIA 2148
TEL: +(61 2) 9672 7888
FAX: +(61 2) 9672 7666
WEB: www.colan.com.au
Typical Properties:
INPUT YARN: High Modulus Polypropylene
FIBRE TYPE: 940 Denier Innegra™ S
WEAVE: 4 Shaft Satin
WEIGHT: 135 g/m² (Nominal)
THICKNESS: 0.34 mm (Nominal)
WIDTHS: 685 & 1000 mm (Nominal)
FINISH: Loomstate
ROLL LENGTH: 100 mtrs (Nominal)
PACKAGING: Full width rolled on tube
plastic wrapped and packed
in cardboard carton
Options:
Alternate widths, lengths and tracers available on
request
Applications:
crafty thats the 4oz
6 WOODS CLOSE
HUNTINGWOOD NSW
AUSTRALIA 2148
TEL: +(61 2) 9672 7888
FAX: +(61 2) 9672 7666
WEB: www.colan.com.au
Typical Properties:
INPUT YARN: High Modulus Polypropylene
FIBRE TYPE: 625 Denier Innegra™ S
WEAVE: Plain
WEIGHT: 68 g/m² (Nominal)
THICKNESS: 0.2 mm (Nominal)
WIDTHS: 760 & 1000 mm (Nominal)
FINISH: Loomstate
ROLL LENGTH: 100 mtrs (Nominal)
PACKAGING: Full width rolled on tube
plastic wrapped and packed
in cardboard carton
Options:
Alternate widths, lengths and tracers available on
request
Applications:
thats 2 oz yea under the skins patches
Thanks Huie.
Its 2X thicker than regular 4oz E. Thats good.
Visually, how dense is the weave? Tight mesh or open? Weight would depend on how much resin it takes.
Looks like one would need two layers of 4oz to make a bamboo equivalent thickness.
Has potential but in the end workability is a big factor.