New Forum Option, because im tired of banging my head against the wall.

General Discussion
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Slight rant… but the arguemenative posts by people who really have no clue ehat they are doing is becoming the norm.

If youve made 2 boards and you are arguing anything with a person with 20 years experience, you are fighting a pointless battle.

So I pitch if possible to highlight and change the Color or profile of those who make boards for a living and do this everyday vs, the 2 board backyards.

No offense to a backyarder, but 9 outta ten Times, the usefull advice is coming from the pros, and a color colding would make it easier to follow people who are experienced.

I dont think that we cant learn from backyards and some dont have great ideas, but a 10 page thread on building a Futures jig vs buying one and some of the other off base threads confuse people. If I was just starting out I would want to know who the pros were vs the backyarders.

Make sense?

 

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I think that only the novices would benefit from this. Anyone who’s got half a clue about shaping or glassing can tell who the pros and experienced hands are, in this forum. This is a downside to the freedom of the internet that we all must live with. Anyone can be a self proclaimed expert on any topic under the Sun, and those with less knowledge won’t be able to spot the phonies.

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Sammy The Novices are exactly who I think should benefit.

You are right on the answers and like you said, the pros know and the others cant spot the difference.

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Half the battle with the internet is sorting through all the crap to find the few true gems.

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There are two camps here.

Pros who have a ton of boards under their belt.

Hobbiest who believe after a few boards, they are part of the later.

Let me tell you, 10 boards is nothing.

100 boards, still trying to figure it out and find some consistancy.

1000 boards, you are no longer a novice.

I’ve seen some guys pay $1000.00 to have private shaping lessons from A-list pros.

Could’nt shape a symmetrical board to save their life.

Others pick up a planer and shape a pretty nice board right out of the shoot.

You either got it or you don’t.

Nothing against the backyard guys.

I personally know many. Some are great craftsmen.

Sammy you are so correct on the internet knowedge thing.

Nothing beats practical knowedge and experience.

The pros know, and the others can’t spot the difference.

Truer words cannot be said.

Just like in any other business, there is no test to seperate the two.

Only the finished product.

I wish some of these “Know it alls” would show us their best work.

Lets sperate the men from the boys.

 

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Acqua, I could not agree more.  This issue is the whole genesis of the Shaper’s Hot Seat.  Those named threads allow the pro’s to answer questions solo.  No garage guy interuptions and no question about who is the pro.  Many of the pro’s aren’t coming back here because of the lame garage guys cutting them off with stupid answers to legit questions.  Garage guys posing as pro’s.  But there are enough outliers (Bud, Melnor, Stingray to name just a few), that I think we have to be careful in how we ID the guys who “know”.  Maybe we nominate a list of guys who consistantly give good advice and let the moderators finalize?  Mostly pro’s with a few long time talented builders?  Just a handful of names?

Personally, I’ve stopped reading all of the posts and I just follow about 10 guys here.  My personal “pro list”.

I have to say that the recent incident that prompted your post has me shaking me head.  I am beginning to think this is someone’s joke.  (Maybe Mike Paler is testing us.  ha? nah)

The questions before us are: what are the criteria for pro status, what do we call them, and how to we ID them.

I can see a big sh@t-fight coming with this thread but it is time to solve the problem.

Moderators please speak up.

 

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It makes sense, and it would be nice if some nuisance posters were held in check.

But on the other hand, there are some professional builders who try to throw off the beginners by posting misinformation.

IMHO, the only solution is an ignore this member option.

Or the downvote could be put to use. Too many down votes, and you get sent to Surfer Magazine bulletin board. Second offense sends you to Reddit. Third time sends you to 4Chan.

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I’ll add this.

IF you still have the stoke after 2.

Learn fast!

@1K you’ll be there.

The TRUE test is…

Do you watch the rider or the board?

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Now this is the kind of thread I like.  " and the Pot said to the Kettle";  “Boy are you----”.

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I enjoy all perspectives on this forum as there are many contributions from non-pros that pull experience from other occupations that are equally useful. Why not modify the little vote widget at the bottom of each post so each reader can vote down as well as up. This would let all readers weigh in on each post.

If we can use these votes as a BS detector that would help the new users that do not know or understand some of the posters on this forum.

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Wouldn’t it help if some of these pros were moderaters? Sorry if someone is but all I know is Huck and he is a backyarder like myself. 

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In the future I may moderate a Design Forum consisting of over 100 posts a month of product made by interesting industry members .

All willingly due to moderation that leads to positive responses  . 

A simple concept - spend your time where it counts . 

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…this could get even funnier than it already is …(lol)

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Funny from the get-go and is heading into classic Sways humour.

I’m making popcorn for this one !

 

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That was funny, and also fitting. 

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Ummmm, there is a “down” button, already. On the left side of the number is “up”, the arrow on the right is “down”. Even though both arrows point up, one is actually a negative vote option.

 

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There is already an under-utilized Industry Forum.  Never forget, we’re talking about pool toys here.  It isn’t rocket science and it isn’t life & death.

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I’ve always lived by the credo…“take it from the horse’s mouth…  Not the other end.”

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Seems it would be a lot more effective if the moderators just dealt directly with those requiring it

no reason to differentiate, however, between the rude and inexperienced, and the rude and knowledgeble

as there is little difference between an inexperienced asshole

and an experienced one

 

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It should be based upon others input about you.  If you give good infornation you get a thumbs up, if you give bad info you get a thumbs down. Kind of like Yelp.  After a while you would see trends, if someone had it out for you they would be the only clown posting bad reviews. If you helped the world you would get a “golden halo”.  After that you would get elevated to “supreme ruler” status, getting this you could say anything you want, and people would have to try to tell if you are BSing or telling the truth…oh wait, I must already be a supreme ruler status. After that we could add chevrons and bars etc.

Resinhead the Golden halo’d Supreme ruler: 7 chevrons, 16 stars, 1 smoke and 3 pancakes…all bow to me.