Not sure if this is a LAZOR ZAP..?

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Not sure if theres enough identification to be sure if its a Lazor Zap...   ; )

 

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Not even a crack on the nose or tail.

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 Says GM 12727.......

 

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Original fin and perfect gloss coat.

 

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 Back story, guy bought it at Avoca in 1982, rode it once and went to university, marry and have kids.

 Now he bodysurfs and doesnt want to keep the board.

 Dont ask what it cost, you wont like it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Brett, you are one "jammy" bastard - as they say.

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Score!. Did you buy it?

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RDM, Jammy bastard indeed I am !

 

 Beerfan, Cost-

 

Four hundred

 and twenty dollars.

 

 

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Shit mate, sounds cheap. Im not sure i could even surf it, but i definately would've bought it for that price haha

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Trying to surf a lazor zap had me contemplating giving up surfing as well…

Lol.

I’m going to sit facing the corner now.

I know I’ve been bad.

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I love that deckside nose shape.

The “Zap” must have (and still does) looked like it came from another planet.

Thanks for sharing Brett.

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i put some bubble wrap on the ends,put it back in its cover and I'll think about what to do with it.

 maybe just one paddleout and prone in on a few waves. Id hate to leave it in the dark for another 30 years...

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what kind of board is that ???

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LZ2 working well under Tombstone’s (I think) feet http://lyttlestreet.wordpress.com/2011/12/13/lazor-zaps-are-go/

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It'll go well with 2 of my other McCoys from that era......

 Still riding the red/yellow one.

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 Looks similar to the board in loaded domes link.

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Deleted post … I couldn’t get the picture to work, will try again.

 

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Deleted post … I give up!

 

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  Gonna need a whole lot more fin than that one.

  Normal sizing close to 13" without wings.

  Most of my boards of that dimension used single fins around 13, sabre shaped, narrow aspect, lots of flex.

  Wide tail means you just lever the fin completeley clear of any water.

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Agreed LeeD, I had one of Cheynes 1982 boards with the long scythe fin and found that any decent turn on the rail resulted in the fin popping out. Putting a smaller fin on the retail boards didnt help them either.

 I grew up in Bondi and I dig the Zap and other  McCoy designs from that era but they were a dead end design.

With the dominence of MR in the later 70's I can see that shapers back then were looking to make the singles turn like twins...

 Moving the WP back brings less width in the nose and to balance that theres more width in the tail to keep the same planing area. Looked new but the Pig design was from back with Velzy so it wasnt totally new.

 Couple the radical outline with massive thickness and the board could barely turn. Couldnt sink a rail, unstable off the front foot, a bugger to duck dive, didnt sit in the tube and a fin with no grip.

 Under Cheyne, it was good but not great enough to get a single World Championship, if anything the design held Cheyne back.

  A radical step but not forward because as a single fin design there was nowhere to go but backwards.

 Ive heard people say that the Zap is the forerunner of the Thruster but Simon had his WP back from the earliest Thrusters and with the signature pivot off the tail, Thrusters were never going to have a forward WP. 

 

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I spent too much of my life riding McCoy style boards, had a Zap and have a Nugget and two nugget style that I made. One day I rode a typical thruster, short board shape and I remember thinking, what an amazing surf that was that day, the tubes were so hollow, I’ve never seen such hollow tubes … weeeks later I realized it wasn’t the tubes, it was how the board sat in the tube, it was the shape of the board, a classic thruster shape sits so much better in the tube than a wide point tail style board. But surfing isn’t all about tubes. I love my Nugget.

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A commonly trotted out statement Surfoils, but totally incorrect. For at least 2 years during that period ,Cheyne Horan was without doubt, the best surfer on the pro circuit by a fair margin. One year in particular ,he was blatantly railroaded at Sunset. This is common knowledge , not just my opinion. The parties involved have stated this openly years after it happened and its on record here in Sways somewhere as well , I think…it was a business decision , and as we all know , the pro circuit from that point forward was certainly big business…regarding the Zap , they are still ridden all over the world and particularly in big Indo and hawaaii , and outsell MR twinnies by a long way,as they always have…doesn’t that tell you somethin" ???

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 I finished shool in 78 and a mate and I followed the pro surf tour from Surfabout in Narrabeen and Manly to Cronulla to Bells for almost three years. We were on the dole , living in Bondi and followed the tour to support the Aussies.

At that time 78/79/80 , on those particular days,and following the criteria of the judging, MR surfed circles around Cheyne. MR was far and away a better competition surfer.

Cheyne was a charasmatic presence with his platinum blond hair and troupe of guys that he hung with and he could be technically a wizard with his boards but he lacked consistency, red hot one day but not the next. Great moments of skill and brilliant control.

But for competition flair, mastery of the judging criteria, which was ~"The most number of moves in the most critical part of the wave.." and professional focus and dependability, MR was The King. Mr Consistent.

  Other competitors knew MR rarely had an off day and he had a great performance in everything except tiny waves. Cheyne was more hit and miss, some heats he was unbeatable, in others he was hesitant .If anything he drew people to him that wanted a piece of him or his presence and it seemed like he almost had to escape into the water to get away from the distractions.

 At the time when the results were announced to the beach from Narrabeen to Bells, there was no boo-ing or jeers when Cheyne didnt win, we never heard a word of dissent against the judges and being from Bondi we were keen to show up any favouritism against the local boy. But there was none.

 With the passage of time and a hint of conspiracy theory, one bad ripoff can balloon into a career vendetta to hold Cheyne back or promote an other surfer but heat in /heat out contest in and out, MR was, (sadly for us Bondi guys) just a better competition surfer than Cheyne as well as everyone else on tour too.

 Maybe Cheyne stepped on a few toes at Sunset but that wouldnt stop him from getting a title 4 years in a row and Im sure there are others who now dispute the refs call from so long ago. Let it be. MR was the best at that time and a world of second guessing and rumour revivals only serves to tarnish Marks great achievements.

 Back then MR was asked who would be the next world champ after his reign and he said " Tom Carroll". Not because Cheyne wasnt good but because, I guess, Tom was a competition machine. And Tom won the next 2 titles.

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MR was a great champion,one of the best.....but anyone surfing rings around another surfer is an opinion mate ,and we all have one. The reality is, Cheyne Horan was denied at least one world title that he earned and the responsible parties have openly admitted that after many years of silence......fact.....and the lazor zap may not suite all surfers , but as an enduring  surfboard design it has nothing left to prove , and is more popular today than it was 30 yrs ago !!!......kinda ironic really , because Geoff McCoy was MR's shaping mentor from a very young age . I just get tired of the " zap cost Cheyne " bullshit , its complete nonsense.

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 Under Cheyne, it was good but not great enough to get a single World Championship, if anything the design held Cheyne back.

 

 

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I wouldnt say Zap cost Cheyne but it did hold him back. Like I said there were other people  clinging on to Cheyne at the time, I remember seeing a guy called Mark?, a friend of Cheynes who had a stand up push and yell with a Channel 10 reporter in Sydney, maybe at the Beaurepaires at Cronulla? It was all over whether Cheyne was being influenced by the wrong types and missing out on his potential. It was clear there were decisions that didnt sit well with everyone.

 Even taking into account Geoffs strong stance on design and belief in the Single fin could account for Cheyne not moving with the times and progressing to the Thruster at a critical time when he had buckets of style and skill but not the judges eye. Cheynes riding style with his elbows out  and hands in looks compact and controlled and similar to the control of Curren but at that time he was up against the wounded seagull with custom sprays, Rubberman Larry Bertleman, PT on his pink boards and more visually 'in your face' riders flailing their arms around. It was early Pro surfing and being outgoing got the media attention.

 Cheyne had 'cool' covered and everyone knew it, but it didnt show on the scoreboard.

Sitting in a crowd you felt that they wanted Cheyne to win because he had such an aura of strength and composure. If there was a conspiracy, then every judge was in on it and they fooled everyone on the beach at every contest.

 If he'd been less cool and less smothered he might have been free-er to move with the crowd that jumped on 3 fins.

 Its not so much that he stayed with the Zap but that he didnt progress to the Thruster. 

 He had everything going for him at the time but for whatever reasons, not just the Zap itself, he missed the jump.