now i'm just asking (about surftechs).

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Hands down beautiful boards.

If I recall the builder of the bottom board in the picture you posted self reported the board to not perform well at all. They both should be proud of their craftsmanship especially in the wood work and aesthetics. I predict in 1000 boards from now they will do it twice as fast and they all will ride better than the average board.

Like the dude on the for sale side of the page with a $2850.00 hallow wood board for sale. Had it on his wall since 1999. Something I would never do or ever come to understand. Even pretty boards are meant to be surfed.

Now back to PeterG’s problem??? I would surftech it and they even have the wood veneers too.

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Surftech’s are made with heat and pressure which is better than just placing a pitted piece if foam in a bag. If you choose custom sandcomp, get a reputable manufacturer that stands behind the product for quality and performance. Just keep in mind that backyard built can be of barnyard quality. Also firewires are available for trial use too.

As far as building one yourself. Just remember, the hardest part about shaping and building sandcomps is the first thousand.

thats a little condescending there bro

barnyard rules

fcknbarnyard bro

hell yeah

im a mutha fckin barnyard sheep shaggin redneck

none of this pussy boy plastic fantastic gay crosstepping label bitch

you redeem yourself with this

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If you are looking for something good off the bat, go surftech or firewire. If you want the satisfaction of doing something by yourself, then build one on your own. That satisfaction and own build bragging rights can replace a good performing board in any surf conditions.

otay

i encourage everyone to build there own board whether in poly or carrboard or whatever

performance is a moot point for the average guy that would buy a surftech

its just not an issue

volume and paddle is the most useful design aspect

and anyone with half brain can work within those parameters

surftechs are overpriced in NZ for a product made with cheap labour

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from barn to the baz

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This person threw you a bone by giving you some low tech encouragement to make a compsand. I will subtract 250 boards for this. So I guess now the hardest part about shaping and making sandcomps is the first 750 boards.

no one threw darkside a bone you big nong OTAY

hes the one throwing bones

him and sabs or mr j they all were doing it before bert posted

id bet theres at least a handful of darkside template copies in the surftech stable

ill raize your 750 for darksides 15000

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Yeah OTAY, i’m agreeing with you in some ways this time actually, but also against in the ways Pauls points out! oops sitting on the fence

Back to what PeterG is sayin - I’m agreeing with you in many ways too Pete!

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couldn’t a custom shaper, working in conjunction with glassers who use epoxy/vacuum bagging techniques, mimic the construction technology of the surftech?

Yes! many people have this comercial dream, no-ones got it fully mainstream yet…

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so that those who wanted the surftech’s positives could get that from a custom shaper and utilize the shaper to make continuous improvements in the surftech paradigm?

Yep. People forget that the reason poly boards are so good is that the entire surf construction industry has been refining them for many decades. EPS boards have been around forever, but only recently have they been really approached the kind of intense development that poly has enjoyed. Give it some time and effort and we’ll see what happens

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is the difference in labor/infrastructure costs so great that we could not make a competitive product here?

Ok heres the shameless marketing claim/mission statement that i’m trying to stick by! -

Sandwich/veneer/EPS/Coil/Berts burgers/firewire all have the potential to surpass poly build times, and reduction in labour and consumable requirements.

Thats before getting into structural and performance arguments as well!

Look at the standard Pu/Pe build technique - A blank is blown, then shaped. that requires a percentage of foam to be removed, and put into the trash. Poly resin is applied by hand with varying degrees of wastage. Then hand sanding, which turns a lot of that added resin to dust which is discarded.

Sorry Lee Jordan, I feel that the wastage in the construction of a commercial poly board is much greater than the waste I produce. I can’t speak for others of course.

Kit

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okay so surftech figured out one way to build a board and went from there

they had a handful of clever guys and thought about

then went from there

through the barnyard movement

you got maybe 60 to 100 guys all sharing info

they make between 5 to 40 boards each between

some of them building boards for up to 50 years

and some of them downright genius and leaders in there respective industries(sabs and huie are good examples)

each board being constructed a little different with different materials

wih findings and reports shared

molded rockers (cant go wrong)

we are looking at easily a thousand boards built in R and D

that puts the barnyarders clearly in front of the pack

and parabolic rails sytems and the use of wood in skins over pvc has a clear advantage in regards to a better FEEL

then surftechs

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Hell yeah!

I’m just trying to give credit to the production guys a little bit because i’ve seen first hand how hard it is to keep consistancy when producing high volumes

Heres a point i’ve been keeping under my hat cos I don’t like pissing people off, but may as well shout it out for once -

If your a poly board builder, how did you learn?

Get a clark foam blank, learn from a pro how to walk the planer right, quite a few factors to take into consideration, and a helluva lot of practise and finess.

But, (and heres where i’ll piss people off) you’re still mowing the same foam as everybody else, glassing to an almost identical schedule, 4+4 and 4 bottom, 6,4 and 4, whatever…

Please don’t think that i’m knocking the skill of poly builders, theres infinite amounts of talent involved!

But you’re all in competition at the same game, very narrow scope.

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each board being constructed a little different with different materials

Hell yeah, I havn’t made three boards remotely the same. This hasn’t happened with poly boards since the 60’s? 70’s?

before I was born.

The materials that make up a sandwich board - or most of the new ideas that are floating around these days - provide scope that has never been realised

(well epoxy and EPS have been around forever of course, but not with this much attention, and people didn’t figure out where they could take it)

One thing i’ll keep repeating is

WHERE DO YOU THINK THESE “NEW” CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES WILL BE AFTER THEY HAVE ENJOYED SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF MAINSTREAM DEVELOPMENT AS POLY HAS?

The next 10 years is gunna be crazy

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nice photos of shore break. Yaaaaaaaaaawn

Hey the tide brought up some wood on the shoreline. Two of the sharp bottom thingys seemed to have fallen off. Shouldn’t there be five?? I know that some veneercomp consortium of backyard builders developed/tested that idea to sweet perfection. Griffin who? they shout.

I am not sure where PeterG is from but I think he needs a board sooner than later. Why wait forever to find a board on a beach versus getting a surftech/firewire today and making your own later. Finding perfection like you think you have achieved is far and few between. They need 10 of your boards in New Jersey , when is the ship date?

How’s your first build btw? is it a daily ride or collecting dust? Maybe broken and in the landfill? I know you think all the history of surfing started with your first build. Surftech is an undeniable force that has been around the longest, has the best quality control and largest selection of board models.

Now that consortium of shapers, knowledge, experience is surpassed not even by what you claim to belong to.

Don’t worry about competing with surftech. Leave that to firewire and others.

Carry on with what you know, selling to friends and family. That’s how most start. Be known for a good product and the rest of the fame and hopefully fortune will follow. Be the dumbest most humble person in the room when working with established manufacturers Think big and who knows, in 10-15 years you may be the dominant force in surfboard production in you homeland. Oh yeah, don’t do drugs or be a drunkard because that will take you off the center of the road to success in surfboard building. Pretty easy huh?

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nice photos of shore break. Yaaaaaaaaaawn

Hey the tide brought up some wood on the shoreline. Two of the sharp bottom thingys seemed to have fallen off. Shouldn’t there be five?? I know that some veneercomp consortium of backyard builders developed/tested that idea to sweet perfection. Griffin who? they shout.

what your problem?

comming on sways with your bolshy nonsense

“surftech are the ducks nuts” you say

this is site of home builders

you are calling skilled and talented builders fools cuz you you dont actually respect people enough to read there posts properly

why would you come on a site of home builders with your superior “popouts are better attitude”

go back to your pencil pushing

this site is for people with hand making skills and people that want to learn them

your attitude is like going on a site of wood turners and telling them they are all shit and to buy your bowls you got made in china

i peteg asked if small builders can make qaulity epoxy boards

yes they can

let it be known

OTAY sells popouts and thinks we are all wankers

oh yeah

already know that

he bro you dont even have to post anymore

we get the message

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Did you read the part about staying sober?

I am very impressed with some of the builders here. You just haven’t done it for me yet.

Just calling it like I see it.

So where is PeterG from and who plans on building this “board” for him? How much? When will it be done??

Meanwhile order any model tonight online from surftech.com. see it in 5 days or less. Around $700, us dollars.

I would say that difference in itself is a night and day example of what surftech can do for any surfer versus this consortium of builders you allegedly represent.

Quack, Quack, testicle pack!!

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otay i dont drink at all

drug free

i work surf and look after the whanau

make boards for fun

like i said got no motivation for capatilsm

eventually the tech will be the hands of most boardbuilders who choose it

and its pretty easy to make one in 6 or 7 hours

so not hard to be competitive

my buzz is not to make them pretty

as you say “shorebreaks” do damage

my first board however has no dings

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besides the less people getting in to surfing the better

why talk it up and publicize it

id rather make a few boards for mates

its the fckers trying to make there fortunes that are fcking it up for us

make your money elswhere and enjoy uncrowded surf

make note. drop in on sales reps, pros,magazine editors/photogs and surfshop clerks

ripcurl “search and destroy”

street talkin cheetas with a heart fall of napalm

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Honestly, bagging on a layer of PVC foam does not take that much extra time. The initial setup cost is low (how many hobbyists here at sways have done it?) and if you do not bag the outer glass the disposable stuff is nil. Pass the extra cost on the client.

I don’t think they vac-bag thier boards.

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there are several more ways to make such a “surftech” , not sure which they use,

but the bottom line is I think it takes more time and money to build one.

They might not vacuum bag, but the end result is the same. Molds are no good for customs anyway. Of course it’s going to take more time and money the a regular board (and considerably more than a surftech), question is if it adds value that the customer will pay for.

regards,

Håvard

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…you drugs free?

and the past thread about drugs?

anyway,

Im with you about the f+++rs ruining surfing

I do not want more people in the water due to the hype

no change my economy too

these people are cannon fodders of the pop outs and the “surfwear” crap (like the teenagers and 50% of the 40s people)

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How’s your first build btw? is it a daily ride or collecting dust?

Daily ride.

I rebuilt it once after some major damage and adjusted the rocker. Then I rebuilt it again and turned into a travel board.

Can you do that with a poly board?

Can you do that with a surftech?

Thanks John for showcasing my board. I take a lot of time and care in finishing my shapes, but I don’t think that’s where the meat of the situation really is. Paul and Kit are the ones who should be front-and-center of the compsand crew. They’re the ones pushing the R&D, dropping the build times and raising the performance.

Ultimately though, that all comes together and moves us forward as a crew much more quickly than any of us could individually. Kind of like here at sways. :slight_smile:

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I was down at Tim Bessel’s shop the other day and saw one of these EVF boards.

Hand shaped by Tim, vac-bagged in epoxy. the board looked great, was completely customizable and super light.

I know that ACE has been experimenting with EVF too

I would think it is a good way to support a local shaper, an alternative to buying a pop-out, while still getting a board with the surftech/boardworks/etc. characteristics…if that is what you want.

again, i am not selling anything nor have i ridden the EVF, but it does allow custom shapes with multilayer epoxy construction.

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reverb im drug free

all i need is surfing

i dont even drink alacahol or smoke

just cups of tea

i stopped drugs 8 years ago and dringking 4 years ago when my second daughter was born

the drug thread was becasue i was interested in it

seems rife in the surf industry over the years

was hoping on some dirty laundry

but alas the status qou remains

i got a compsand down to 7 or 8 hours

as far as i know thats cometetive to surftech

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How’s your first build btw? is it a daily ride or collecting dust?

Daily ride.

I rebuilt it once after some major damage and adjusted the rocker. Then I rebuilt it again and turned into a travel board/

Can you do that with a poly board?

Can you do that with a surftech?

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uhhh…yes.

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Really? Explain to me, OTAY, how you would adjust the rocker on an already-shaped and glassed poly/poly board? I’m just curious.

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you could on a surftech

by cutting the skin off and reattaching on a rocker table

surftechs are good id buy a tl2 if i couldnt make my own

i dothink that a small factory could make the same qaulity at a competetive price

there not that hard to make