he continued to paddle to the inside and then committed the classic “snake” maneuver. good in competition, not so good in free surfing.
it is a snakey thing to do but i feel (all the agro aside ) that manouver is something you have to accept… people do it to me and it annoys the hell out of me.but i an perfectly capable of doing it in return… paddle harder, and get fitter, take off deeper…i spose theres no crowds here… breaks like this go unridden alot…
im sorry you were threatened .
I hate agro and all violence(including violent sports and americas latest war on the news)… and avoid bars and places where that shit happens…?@
its such a shame it happens at your local break…
my advice to u is definately talk to the barnacle locals and get their opinion.
If lot people were to have words with this guy at different times he might see some sense…deffinately stay away from him
Go on, put the clip up somewhere, I’m sure lots of people here would like to see what a total pratt this guy is, I feel sorry for his daughter…I could never do that in front of my kids…ever…
anyone else here feel that with both sides of the story we might be able to get a better picture here?..in my experience, people who are angry tell only one side of the story and maybe exaggerate it a bit also?..not trying to imply that your lying, or that bashing someone’s head in with a rock is ok but…this story sounds far fetched
Yeah there are some complete jerks. one time at snapper some f***head started throwing my board around cause I ‘droped in’ on him. the idiot didn’t relise I was already on the wave when he paddled behind me, I even said sorry or though I wasn’t in the wrong. He did this to all the groms. sad bugger that one. couldn’t get a wave of the older guys so picks on groms… using his classic ‘next time its on the sand’ quote. Karma always pre-vails though…
Howzit surferguy, The guy sounds like a jerk. I’ll tell you how I handle those kind of surfers, After I take off if I see somebody trying to drop in on me I just top turn my board a run right through the spot they are dropping into, they will back out of the wave because they can’t drop in with you blocking them, old Hanalei trick and even if they do end up catching the wave they are behind you so now you can stuff them. Aloha,Kokua
At some point everyone who spends time in the water encounters such drop-kick guys. Mostly I’m with Doc, in that eventually life gets too short to deal with those types, you long ago learned to choose your battles, and you either don’t surf “in season” anymore or you travel to spots where it’s mellow. That being said, if you want to surf with the droppers, I can also identify with Kokua, in that the best defense is often some trick offense or flank maneuvers.
You say the guy is always there, so you’re going to encounter the same thing until eventually something gives and somebody comes up on the short side. So consider this for a prescription: The next time you see him at the beach walk up to him with a smile and a determined attitude. You’ll diffuse him. Say something like, “We both obviously see what happened differently, but I’m sorry the situation got where it did last weekend and I’m sorry your daughter had to see it (your not apologizing for what you did). I felt like you dropped in on me several times and I got a little ticked and you obviously felt I was in the wrong too. Let’s just try to have some fun today eh?” If he looks receptive you might even extend the handshake. It might just turn to good right there (my bet is that it will).
If not and that doesn’t do it…well, it’s just time for jungle rules. At the end of a long day or when the path runs out of dirt, a guy’s just gotta do what a guy’s gotta do (within reason of course). Bottom line is that you have to Enjoy the ride!
I agree with wahoo (not spelled right). Talk to the police in a calm situation and express your concern that this guy is likely to confront you again. They are not likely to do anything, but you’ll be on record about being concerned for your health.
Try to defuse the situation at the beach. Get other locals to help. Maybe avoid waves when he is around for a little while (let time pass) then strike up conversation with him and the daughter in the water. Might get him to lighten up a little and then be able to talk to him about the way he surfs.
Guess it all depends on if he is going to recognize you or not.
But the rock thing is out of line no matter what. You need to play it carefully. If he holds a grudge you may already be in danger.
If he is going to recognize you, you might search out backup (locals) and let them know you want to all padle over to the guy and talk to him about co-existing.
b.t.w. is this a pretty agressive spot by nature? what beach?
the break is known to be the easiest going one around…everyone usually talks to everyone else…full of nice, friendly people.
as for the story being far fetched or exaggerated, its not…the guy had been paddling in on me all afternoon, then after he paddled in on me on one wave, he cussed me out in the water, after that we didnt talk, then the wave in question went off and the rest is already posted…people on th ebeach even heard him yelling people off waves after he had paddled in on them…hes a kook.
right when i first got in the water i had even smiled at him and his daughter…his daughter smiled back, but he scowled at me…i guess he just blew a gasket after all that.
kind of a silly question but you just move away and do your own thing…
Unless
you are willing to beat the hell out of the guy and his kid and everyone in his family that gets involved in the true samoan way.
Or.
run them both over with your favorite 10’ as they get in your way
Since neither of these are reasonable choices the best is to just paddle away and hope if he’s a local that the other locals will call him on it. A good spot will self police itself to survive.
BTW I’ve run over parent child fools (usually sponging) who refuse to get out of the way.
I also learned in the 60’s and 70’s how to shoot my board very effectively into the back or head of someone who needs it/ MickeyD taught us that one. Glad to say I’ve never had to do it since the 70’s when enforcing was prevalent in the line up no strings then too…
Again walk away at all costs or go all the way that’s the zen motto…
Next time try sitting it out on the beach and offer him a cold beer from your cooler when he comes in. Compliment him on all the great rides he was getting and what a kick it must be to be able to take his daughter out on his board, etc. Maybe even take some photos and offer him prints. You’ll soon have him eating out your hand like the good boy he really wants to be.
This makes me think about a picture in the back of LB magazine a few months back…guy riding a foamy with his daughter sitting on the front dropping in and some young guy in trim (his wave) about a second away from obliterating them. All I think about in that picture is " what kinda @sshole puts his daughter in that kinda position?" This guys gonna get a rude awakening very soon… I know I’ve had a few boards flung at my head when I accidentally dropped in on someone.
Of course Callaway, if you are a young hothead who’s greatest possession is his surfboard, and who can’t complete a sentence without cursing, then by all means you should just start throwing punches.
But if you have a wife, kids, job, or anything that resembles a life, then the immediate gratification of kicking someone’s ass is outweighed soon after when you realize you broke your finger / wrist / jaw in the process, or when you end up in court, where “Dad defending daughter” always trumps “Dude defending wave”, and your next 6 weekends are spent in some kind of court imposed 12-step anger management class contemplating your $5000 legal bill, while your adversary is out surfing.
There are times for an ass kicking. But it is much more cost efficient, and the risk / reward ratio so much better, when you let the people who’s salaries you pay do it legally.
Not replying to anyone in particular, but reading things about boards being thrown off to the head of another surfer, even if he deserves it, makes me wonder…
Do you realize that a board can kill? Those who do that are just as irresponsible as those who drop in on someone else. Why should you answer stupidly to someone acting stupidly?
A few years ago, I got hit in the jaw by a kook’s board: he dropped in on me and, at the very last moment, he panicked and fell off backwards, launching his board at me (although it was not deliberate). I got a jaw fracture and had to eat mashed potatoes and such for a whole month. But I was very lucky not to loose an eye or my life: getting hit in the forehead or the neck may kill you. Think of it: killing someone for a wave?
“You know, there are so many waves coming in all the time, you don’t have to worry about that. Just take your time-wave comes. Let the other guys go; catch another one.” (Duke KAHANAMOKU, interview in “SURFER MAGAZINE”).
Some weeks ago, I had a similar experience, but on a golf course (flat day… absolutely no surf). I was playing a short par 3. there were 2 guys in front of me. I waited till they cleared the green and got to the tee box of the next hole. I swung and had an awesome shot. I hit 2 feet away from the pin on the green. unfortunately, the ball bounced about 10 feet then rolled up on their tee box. I walked over to get my ball and take a drop and when I got there one of the guy’s (twice my size) picked up my ball and told me “if you ever hit a ball near me again I will ---- you up you son of a -----” I then asked if he planned on keeping my ball and he told me to go ---- myself. I gae him the “whatever” eyeroll and look and walked a few feet back to my green, picked an identical ball out of my pocket and dropped it on the ground and proceeded to get out my nine iron. from behind me, the guy got out a club and started walking up to me. I just calmly turned around and said right to his face “you do know there’s a police station about 2 miles from here and I think there kinda lonely” The Guy just cursed me out and stormed off. I then gathered all my stuff and passed him up and went to the next hole in front of him. from then on I took my dear sweet time on each hole making him wait forever to tee off. Later, in the parking lot, I saw the guy getting in his car with his family. apparently they had been in the park adjacent to the course. so knowing he wouldnt try anything with his family around, I shouted out at him “Poor Form Dude!” then got i my car and left. He was Radiating anger as I left laughing. I then saw him the next weekend at a store and all he did is scowl at me.
4est may be an inlander now but he has payed his dues. He grew up in the So. Bay (L.A.) and is quite a good surfer. Not only that, but I would be very carefull with whom you are antagonizing. He is a very kind and peacefull christian but with his size, I have no doubts that he can defend himself and others quite easily.
