From Gary Young’s Patent:
As best seen in FIG. 1A, the top and bottom laminated skins 20a and 20b, respectively, are formed around the edges of the core 12 and are planed smooth to receive a third laminated wood edge finish strip 22 which after lamination is then shaped to conform to the outlying curvatures to provide continuity of curvature between the top and bottom skins.
pretty amazing concepts having been first put down in paper in 1978 don’tcha think?
About the same time that this document first got published
http://jfmillbiz.home.comcast.net/swaylocks/Surfboard_Design_and_Construction_1977.pdf
I wonder how old Bert was in 1977-1978 and what people were saying about these ideas about board design back then.
And wouldn’t you think that Mr. Young would’ve tried all of these new fangled materials available since then to take it to the next level? Looks like he was using rocker tables, vacuum table, RDM, and multi laminated hollowed out foam cores in 1978.
I really don’t think Firewire needs to patent anything just keep the buzz going that they have some type of hip tech going on. I don’t think a patented tech matters as much to the buyers in the specific market they’re currently hitting as does looks and durability. I think that these custom high tech full lams that Feral Dave’s using as well as Nev and a bunch of others are using down under will be their best selling tool. Custom slick and hip graphics to eliminate the Posca will be more important than state of the art tech and Firewire’s got it down. That Patent Pending sign can stay up there for years just for the buzz factor alone… But looks will win over design for the market they’ve defined in the initial rollout. They’ve done a really good job on the roll out, way better than any of their competitors and they have product now hitting the shelves to match the Taj announcement. Their timing has been impeccable and media blitz impressive. You’ve got to admit they’ve been on it across the board… I see the Patent Pending bug on the website as just another great marketing strategy.
Hey…It’s my name now!
In the commercial Market place it is hIP to HYpe
look aou rap community HIp hyPE is on your tail
the eye Know More Than Any of yous Guys have relocated
they wish to spend everybodys money
made from diggin’ ditches money will be the last to go
the ‘timeshare’ ,'carsalesmen ', ‘carney barkers’
‘dopey dealers’,‘Maitre’d’s’, Gigalos’, ‘crossover sportsmen’,
Efiteand promotional professionals wear the HYPEOGRAPHIC
emblazoned on their sleeves backs and
,in the case of seven foot basket ball heros ,
on the seat of their shorts because these are at eyelevel
the barage assult on the sensibilities of fashionable
trend is relentless.
Patent Penders Make it a character in my new book
‘salesmen I have observed from afar’
subtitled ‘how to survive a drive through town and still have 35$ to take home’
would be an excercise in creative personification
just a dodge with a new rim job.
behind locked doors?
the scientists dont play well with others
the financeers are planning on collecting money at all costs.
henry made an edsel.
einstein didn’t make the bomb
bless em all
they need help
…ambrose…
…You’ve got to admit they’ve been on it across the board… I see the Patent Pending bug on the website as just another great marketing strategy.
I suppose we have all become inured to the use of male bovine feces as a marketing strategy, particularly re surfing products (as well as the sheep-like conformity of the general surfing population that encourages it). However, I see no reason to congratulate the slingers of same on the effectiveness of their customer fertilization programs.
-Samiam
The ho in the row says: not a tool; not a fool; just doddering Vegematic fodder, don’t bother…
I usually keep tabs on the flow of the surfermag design forum to see how those with too much water and disruptive influence between their ears are taking us… Cause let’s face it that’s the age bracket the material folks are marketing to.
It’s interesting to see the tide shifting from the retro bonzer/fish heads to the new tech argument especially firewire’s growing influence on that market. So all the money and strategic placement Firewire has been focusing on is starting to pay off. There’s less and less “looks at my fish/bonzer posts” and more “new tech posts”
The tactics Firewire is using is very reminiscent to me of what happened in the stock market during the internet bubble, it’s a classic: the news release stringer, fancy website, and carefully placed “word of mouth” bulletin board “get it now” spin stock quotes used to inflate the actual value of an unproven, unknown. Many spent millions if not billions including us during this time being wooed and fancied with these classic boardroom dog and pony shows…
In the end what they have and the cost of having to produce it versus market response will determine whether they survive beyond the 5-10 years needed to pay back the depreciation of the industrial investment by the suits.
Rusty EPS?
Lost?
Firewire?
Javier’s XTR?
Surftech T2?
Aviso?
It’s going to be a very confusing time for the lemmings…
What cliff to throw yourself off of…
I’m not saying what they ar doing is good
I am saying is that it is very familiar
HI, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME (OR POST) THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK ON THE WEB SITE YOU POSTED.IT SHOWED SOME INTRESTING INFORMATION. PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT THANKS.
I guess I don’t spend enough time on Swaylock’s to respond in a timely manner, but I’d like to see the same time and effort in everyone’s responses (since you’re all geniuses) put to something useful like creating a better board than the ones you goof on and openly offer the technology to everyone else.
Patent law is of course a detailed process with its own caveats. Just because you can find a 1978 patent does not mean that there is nothing patentable in Firewire’s implementation of a parabolic rail. Even small changes in detail of implementation can be used to make a derivative patent. Being as a 1978 patent is expired, the derivative patent would bear full weight.
If would seem obvious that if they had a patent number, they would use it instead of the term “patent pending.”
Being as they are well-financed and strong on the business end, they probably have multiple patent applications filed on various details of the implementation.
If I were them, I would patent
the implementation of the parabolic rail
the methods for not fully fusing the sandwich and core
the use of multiple densities of foam in the core - you would specifically name the range of densities and positions in which you propose to use them
methods for attaching a fin system to a composite surfboard without fusing top and bottom decks.
…I can come up with more, there is lots that they are doing that is new.
But a good patent requires familiarity with patent law, intelligence, and familiarity with invention. Usually patent lawyers only have the first, and the real trick is that the inventor become well versed in the law, because it is impossible to get a patent lawyer to fully understand the invention and market the way the inventor does. Plus patent lawyers think their time is worth a ridiculous amount.
As a last point, I would urge those interested in the invention to completely ignore any patents unless you plan to sell surfboards on a broad scale. The patents are unlikely to be informative to you as a surfboard maker, and it will be irrelevant if you violate Firewire patents in production of your hobbyist efforts. Or even small business efforts. These patents will be irrelevant unless you get on Firewire’s business competition radar.
i agree with your last statment
however the middle list contains nothing new
as with the boards there is nothing new being used
mike
