Paul Jensen interview

A short interview with Paul Jensen -

www.phoresia.org

Phoresia.org is a project a friend and I have been working on as an outlet as well as a resource for more sustainable and environmentally friendly concepts as they relate (although somewhat loosely sometimes) to surfing. Most people here on Swaylocks on more clued in than your average surfer in regards to materials and the respective pros/cons, but many surfers out there still think Epoxy means “popout” and that the only wood boards are classic balsa noseriders.

We’ve been talking with a few well known “alternative” surf craft builders since we started this project and everyone has been really receptive to the concept/idea of it. We are stoked that Paul Jensen was so gracious to spend a little bit of his time to respond to our questions and allow us the use of his photos for his interview. It’s really cool to have him as the first interview for the site as it kinda starts a logical procession through a growing group of people who are looking outside the traditional construction means.

I’d love to hear any comments/criticisms/critiques that anyone may have to help us make our little project better.

We just got an interview back from Tom Wegener and hope to have that up next month along with some photos of his projects.

i really appreciate the site.

thanks for making it.

I just had to stay up to read this.

Great site. Thanks

Paul’s a great guy, honest, down to earth and genreous to a fault I really respect that and I loved reading hisinterview.

I have some mixed feelings about the grain vidio though.

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A short interview with Paul Jensen -

www.phoresia.org

I’d love to hear any comments/criticisms/critiques that anyone may have to help us make our little project better.

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In your opinion, do you think Paul’s boards are sustainable? If so, are they sustainable because when they ware out, you can throw it away more safely? Or, do you think his material is grown sustainable?

I read the interview and thought the questions were a bit presumptuous.

It is a very interesting subject. I would love to reach sustainability.

how far out side is far enough not to have the sets break on your head?

how far out is too far to catch a set wave?

how sustainable is sustainable enough?

we will only know for sure when the sets come…

…ambrose…

can we glue it with breadfruit sap?

tar from the beach at coal oil point…

or mebbe pine tar?

is randy french makin dora models with

edible grade epoxy?

lets take it to the steps of Sproul hall

with a crowd.where’s mario when the stuff is fannable.

IT’S A FLOOR POLISH !!!

no… IT’S A ICE CREAM !!!

iceream…floopolish,icream…flopo…IT’S BOTH !!! AND…

YOU CAN USE IT TO FUEL YOU VEHICKLE…or warsh that horrible stain out of your dress.

I like Paul…poxy is cool …but it’s not the only answer.

First I’ll say that I really dig Paul Jensen and his advancements in the history of surfboards. He’s now a bench mark of craftsmanship, plus he surf’s his own boards. To me, this is a high mark. One of my favorite things about what Paul does is to put his outfall material from his day job, to use in building surfboards. It’s not quite second use, but noble just the same. I think most of us who live away from the native forests have to rely on material harvested from places where, if so, replanting is done with another tree of lesser quality. To me this is not sustainability. It’s OK though, but just ok.

The sustainability issues are old talking points we’ve had schlepping around Southern California working for clients who have the money to buy anything they want. Almost every night on the drive back home we’d have these depressing conversations about how much is used, abused, and/or thrown away. Around here, we just go to the lumber yard for more exotic wood, mostly old growth. After doing so over, and over again, it gets maddening, unless you try to do something about it, or at least talk it through to find ways, like Paul does, use your material in the highest manner and find a use for the scraps left over.

I’m not claiming to know nothin’ about nothin’, but this is a great subject that is deeper than using wood for surfboards and feeling good about a renewable resource unless of coarse you are. I try to reuse wood in a number of ways. I’m also caught up in this quandary of endless consumption.

I look at Paul’s boards and wonder how he does such a fine job, how he makes the time to do it, and admire the evolving designs w/ such elements of beauty. Yes trees grow and sprout regeneration, in a perfect world.

My next question is: Are these wooden surfboards more sustainable than Styrofoam? Crazy, I know.

In your opinion, do you think Paul’s boards are sustainable? If so, are they sustainable because when they ware out, you can throw it away more safely? Or, do you think his material is grown sustainable?”

Hey easternpacific, read your question but didn’t really have time to give it a thorough reply until tonight. Are they sustainable? I would say they are more sustainable and definately have alot less impact overall versus a lot of other methods. Like you said, he is using seconds and offcuts from his dayjob which is a great start. He mentioned using fallen trees and driftwood, which would have 0 net effect, although this wouldn’t really be realistic for mass scale production, but that is kind of the point and why we felt that Paul Jensen was a great benchmark for how it could be done. He’s just kind of doing his own thing using the skills that he’s most comfortable with while thinking about minimizing his overall impact but not necessarily striving for that as a goal. Localizing production, whether it’s surfboards or the food we eat, has a really big impact on the overall net effect of our consumption. Without getting too abstract about it, the closer you can source your goods the better off you are as far as net energy consumption goes.

I don’t think necessarily that his boards, or any wooden boards for that matter would be considered sustainable because they could more easily disposed of, but more the fact that they by thier construction nature are more durable and therefore likely to last much longer than thier foam counterparts. The fact that they are inherently more durable due to the characteristics of the wood under flex and loading is only a beneficial side-effect.

Is his material grown sustainable, I don’t know. Maybe he uses FSC certified wood, I haven’t specefically seen anything on his site and we didn’t think to ask in the interview. Maybe he can chime in here on that subject. The fact that he’s is using a renewable resource (wood) as opposed to a non-renewable resource (oil-based foam) for the majority of his board construction is definately a step in the right direction.

That is really what our goals were for Phoresia. To get the information out there and educate people (ourselves included) on what options we have as surfers to stop and look at ourselves and our sport and realize that no matter how much we bitch about water pollution, runoff, over-development, consumerism etc. we ultimately have to start the process with ourselves. We have to be the ones to make the first conscious step and change our own lives. We are trying to do this in a positive light by getting subject matter that is a better option or a more sustainable means (key word “more”). Obviously there are going to be impacts for whatever we do but there are some options that are better than others that can fit the needs as well if not better than those that take more of a toll on our surroundings.

I’m kinda rambling but I tried to cover the points you brought up without going off on too much of a tangent.

I’m also caught up in this quandary of endless consumption.”

But at least your conscious of it and that is more important than you might think. Most people have no concept nor does it even factor into the equation on their decision making process. Education is the first step in that, we are just trying to tackle it in a subject that interests us and that we are passionate about. Sustainability covers a huge scope and really comes into play in everything we do and really goes way outside of what Swaylocks is for and there is so much other stuff I’d love to bring up but it’s not really the place for it.

My next question is: Are these wooden surfboards more sustainable than Styrofoam? Crazy, I know.

They’re renewable and not based on a finite resource, so I would have to say that wood definately has a huge check on it’s side of the box in it’s favor…

I really just need to build a wooden board for myself though, so I can hop off the fence and actually chime in with some real world experience as far as strength and durability but your comment rings so true for me - “I look at Paul’s boards and wonder… how he makes the time to do it”. How, indeed.

Aloha Lawess - Thanks a million for the reply! I agree with a lot of the general ideas. I don’t have any more time on the unit today, but will continue if you would like, later on.

Mostly, I agree with this paragraph.

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I don’t think necessarily that his boards, or any wooden boards for that matter would be considered sustainable because they could more easily disposed of, but more the fact that they by thier construction nature are more durable and therefore likely to last much longer than thier foam counterparts. The fact that they are inherently more durable due to the characteristics of the wood under flex and loading is only a beneficial side-effect.

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Good luck with your work… I’ll try to harp in later. But…after reading BS like the butt crack thread, I’m not sure it’s worth the effort.

All the best,

==ep

Hi Skip -

I saw the big Spruce tree that one of the locals fell. It was for a carefully considered project - one that could not be supplied by the endless availability of driftwood trees which they prefer to use up there. Paul helped with some of the milling in the forest using an “Alaskan Mill” - a chainsaw on a track.

When Paul describes “tons” of driftwood trees, believe me, he isn’t exaggerating. Thousands of trees, EACH weighing tons is more like it. The locals have been hooking lines up and towing those trees to the island at high tide for years. They winch them up a ramp to the mill and slice 'em into managable pieces. As Paul states, they’d just rot otherwise. Fact is, they’ll rot eventually anyway.

The cabins on the island have all been built with this material. There are no roads, no telephones and no electricity (except that which is generated on site.) There is certainly no Home Depot or lumber yard.

There are places along the highway up north where you can admire the forest as you drive by. Suddenly a sign comes into view that reads “clear cut and replanted 1951” or whatever.

The main issue with tree farms, as Paul points out, is lack of diversity. Disease resistance might not be as good as in wild trees. If the replanted forests are spaced properly and the trees chosen for genetic suitability, might they in fact have bigger harvests (board feet per acre) of taller straighter trees than wild growth? Granted, these aren’t old growth Redwoods - just trees for lumber production.

I’m not privy to consumption rates or regrowth rates so I’m not able to say if this is truly sustainable. I would agree that Paul is conscientious about wasting little in his lifestyle and crafting endeavors.

I do know that I live in a wooden house, read newspapers printed on paper from wood pulp, and am absolutely surrounded by a bunch of crap made of plastic in a place and manner I’d probably rather not know about.

The quote by Gerry Lopez is cool but I wonder how even he scores in that test on the other thread re: eco footprint? In spite of him saying “it can’t be like that anymore” I suspect that most of us are using more (much more) than our fair share of global resources and aren’t about to change. Sustainable? Not even close.

The issue of sustainability and styrofoam vs wood surfboards is interesting but long term big picture, hardly worth considering. I understand the question in regards to critiqueing the interview - nevertheless, I think there is some validity in the idea that wood is a renewable, if not exactly sustainable(?), resource when used as a surfboard material.

Stop making babies? Stop eating meat? Get rid of my car and ride the bus or bike? Repair the refrigerator when it’s cheaper to buy a new one? Ride a beater board?

A “sustainable” lifestyle… Are you (rhetorical you, not you personally) kidding me?

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First I’ll say that I really dig Paul Jensen and his advancements in the history of surfboards. He’s now a bench mark of craftsmanship, plus he surf’s his own boards. To me, this is a high mark. One of my favorite things about what Paul does is to put his outfall material from his day job, to use in building surfboards. It’s not quite second use, but noble just the same. I think most of us who live away from the native forests have to rely on material harvested from places where, if so, replanting is done with another tree of lesser quality. To me this is not sustainability. It’s OK though, but just ok.

The sustainability issues are old talking points we’ve had schlepping around Southern California working for clients who have the money to buy anything they want. Almost every night on the drive back home we’d have these depressing conversations about how much is used, abused, and/or thrown away. Around here, we just go to the lumber yard for more exotic wood, mostly old growth. After doing so over, and over again, it gets maddening, unless you try to do something about it, or at least talk it through to find ways, like Paul does, use your material in the highest manner and find a use for the scraps left over.

I’m not claiming to know nothin’ about nothin’, but this is a great subject that is deeper than using wood for surfboards and feeling good about a renewable resource unless of coarse you are. I try to reuse wood in a number of ways. I’m also caught up in this quandary of endless consumption.

I look at Paul’s boards and wonder how he does such a fine job, how he makes the time to do it, and admire the evolving designs w/ such elements of beauty. Yes trees grow and sprout regeneration, in a perfect world.

My next question is: Are these wooden surfboards more sustainable than Styrofoam? Crazy, I know.

http://www.earthsourcewood.com/