Hey Ace,
I remember you posting pics of this board a ways back and also some sweet pics riding it. I am looking to build something like this in the future. Do mind sharing how you did the quad set up? Being a bigger surfer, this design and fin set up looks like a hell of a lot of fun.
This is a NEW one less than 2 weeks old. I am using futures T1’s as the main fins 3.5" trailers. We have found that the bigger lead fins work better than a more even setup. “Hell of a lot of fun” is what I am after also what else is there!
Ace, I know where you were in OB, but I don't know the address where you are now. Would you mind posting the address where I can drop in on you sometime?
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That's funny. I was trying to edit my post to add something, but I got ''access denied'', because you had pulled the trigger first.
Here's what I wrote: I like what Jim's doing with the longboard versions, and Ace's 4+ fin stuff looks very functional. And if someone wanted to make a shortboard wide-tail single fin, the McCoy model would be a better one to follow, as opposed to the Weber. Sometimes there's a reason things are left in the past...
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Ha ha...I knew you would know what I meant. I think Florida was the last state to leave twin fins. I agree on some designs staying in the past. While I appreciate the beauty and lines of the old singles...many of those wide point forward singles were just dogs. Even with twins there were only a few that knew how to shape them to make them work right. I used to love short pigs and pig fish.
All good. We've dragged this so far OT, we should let it get back to the OP's original question. I think Ace has some good answers for him...
Ace,
Can you tell me how far you set up the fins from the tail and what the toe in and cant where on this board?
Thanks, Bob
http://deepcreekmudybech.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/paddleboarding-deep-creek-lake/
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All good. We've dragged this so far OT, we should let it get back to the OP's original question. I think Ace has some good answers for him...
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I think the obvious answer to the question for shortboards is the Pig has found it's modern incarnation with the Nugget. Where it goes from there is up to the many shapers experimenting with them. As for longboards, I don't much see a use for the Pig outline unless it's just to get a different feel with a longboard or to re live the past feeling... since the modern longboard does pretty much all the old moves and most of the new ones.
I think folks were experimenting with Pig outlines on longboards for looseness back in the day. Then in came shorter boards which solved much of the problem for them until a more refined outline of the pig came back in the tear drop outline of the early eighties. Funny how stuff comes full circle. A testament to the fact, that those who surf love to surf different things for different feelings. Keeps everything fresh. Or...are things like Nuggets and modern short boards with wider tails than nose simply the most refined version of the old pigs? Those are interesting points to consider. In a round about sort of way...have we ended back up in 1958 with regards to design ideas?
My son got to surf his new 9-6 pig this morning for the first time. (Swamis) He says its a very different feel from the more modern noseriders. More surfing off the tail and more pivoting turns. Waves were chest high today - he wants to see what it will do in bigger and more lined up conditions.
“a more refined outline of the pig came back in the tear drop outline of
the early eighties.”
Here is one of my 6’ers {recently found under a house} from about 1970.
OK sorry took so long been busy test running the board. I do not measure my fins anymore, built a “findicator” that does it all for me. Here is what works for this one, Lead fins 10 1/2" up 1 3/4" from rail 3/16" toe in. back fins 5 1/2" up 2 1/2" from rail 1/16 toe in. I approach the Quads the same as I did Bonzers. The fins are a “unit” that adjusts to the boards length width rocker etc. ACE
Hi Ace…sorry for some of the double pictures. This thread, and a couple of other threads are so similar. Here is a pigish/nugget going to Canada. It’s a thruster.
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ACE,
Every time you mention it I’ve always been curious how your Findicator works, but up until now I’ve been too nervous to ask. Ditto for your other views on the merits of the fin cluster as a unit. The spacing part makes a lot of sense to me, but I don’t understand the bigger-than-average spacing from the rail part. Care to share?
I do not want to take this discussion away from what it is about. The " findicator" started with Bonzers as a jig that had the markings for the layout. Over the years as other fin styles have come into being I have adapted it to include them. This way i know that I have a pretty good shot at hitting the right fin placement cause there is a consistency based on experience and I do not have to measure the same thing over and over. It is really just a functional record of reference. I think there is a picture of one on Swaylocks somewhere. If not I will take one. I am sure that other people have different layouts for different reasons “Findicator” has worked for me.
As far as bigger than average spacing from the rail I have found the boards especially the wider tailed thicker ones become way more “user friendly” with this set up. Like yesterday i had a friend of mine much smaller than me who uses my smaller boards try my 8’ Squish. He was a litttle concerned about the size of the board and if he would be able to turn it. He caught a handful of pretty good waves came in and said how “easy” it was to ride. I know that if the fins where further apart on that board he would have had a hard time going from his Thruster to my Quad he would have been fighting it.
I have Hogged this Pig thing long enough…
So class have we thoroughly dissected this Pig?
Iv’e searched the archives…you’ve mentioned the findicator in the past.
But I cant find a picture.