Lets face it, if R.F. doesn’t give the system the nod for his boards it must have limitations.
OTAY
I remember this quote from an old thread and thought of it when I saw these shots of a Randy Rarick Surf tech sporting a Probox Versa - Plane.
I don’t know about R.F. giving the system a nod…but…I think R.R. seems to like it. Ha Ha.
Interesting times in the industry.
I couldn’t get this pic in the first post.
How did you know I was in town for the auction??? I even wore pants and closed toed shoes but the MC was dressed surfer ghetto style???
Funny thing about RR is that all the over priced and over hyped surf boards all had fin systems that rhymed with pro-box. They were called “NO BOX”
Man, I read some pretty funny threads from the past few months here and I must say surftech is gaining ground in acceptance from the regulars. I just wish sunova came to us…I mean surftech, to get his technology going. The funny past quote from memory was how firewire was going to compete with ST. Business is going strong in spite of the less than stellar competition. And by the looks of the RR photos are the bonzer’s the next licensed surftech model???
Talk to you again in Sept/Oct time frame Asia calls.
OTAY
Man, I read some pretty funny threads from the past few months here and I must say surftech is gaining ground in acceptance from the regulars.
Talk to you again in Sept/Oct time frame Asia calls.
OTAY
Your post is so true on the gaining of acceptance by the regulars.
Regulars? What kind of regulars?
Regulars? What kind of regulars?
If you have to ask…
in the near future this tech could be in the hands of every backyarder and small shaper that wants it
they only cost 300$ materials and take around 8 hours to build
a surftech is well over a thousand dollars in NZ
not cheap here!
and they are a lagging in performance due to there pursuit of cosmetics and name shapers
in other a words, a sandwich shortboard with wrapped rails over 2 1/4 thick is most likely a dog
as long as there are middle men and retailers going for big margins
small guys will always be able to compete with a higher quality product and better service
surftechs costco utopia is long way off
im surprized at resistance and slow uptake from small manufactures to embrace eps/epoxy sandwich construction
there prejudice against surftech technology will be there downfall
it is so easily within reach
they just have to take the first step
sin other a words, a sandwich shortboard with wrapped rails over 2 1/4 thick is most likely a dog
Dogs from AUS/NZ start at $1500.00 U.S. in Hawaii, and they literally are dogs.
The demand is greater than the supply so goes the price.
ST isn’t out to control the whole surfboard pie but to suply those who want consistant, quality that 95% of the people will have fun on.
The hate for surftech is going because of the pie in the sky firewire debacle(remember that BS), and other pop out competitors poor quality compared to ST.
Your custom compveneers are not surf techs. Which is better quality and ride is personal preference and up for arguement regarding durability even. It’s apples and oranges to me. Until you can supply the board demand in NZ with your boards ST is a wonderful option for surfers who need a board. You can have the best board in the world but it doesn’t take away what ST offers by at least being able to meet supply. ST is not a one trick pony either. Shortboards to SUPs and everything in between. Just because you have the ability to make a board at home doesn’t help the other 99.999% who need a board. You tube flex videos doesn’t help those people.
Surftech is here to help!!!
People not willing to take a step to the darkside of epoxy has nothing to do with unwillingness to embrace sandwich technology. They just can’t plain old compete with those who do it well. Surfing goes on with or without compveneers and you tube and even clark foam.
(trying my new handle out)
Far EPAC
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in other a words, a sandwich shortboard with wrapped rails over 2 1/4 thick is most likely a dog
You can have the best board in the world but it doesn’t take away what ST offers by at least being able to meet supply. ST is not a one trick pony either. Shortboards to SUPs and everything in between.
Your above quote on supply is 99% of the reason Surftech gained a strong market share. Retailers were tired of waiting out Summer backlogs. S.T. takes care of it consistenly and with consistent product. Retailers know what they are getting. Some don’t like the pressure to order and smaller shops don’t like the politics of not being able to join in…but thats typical surf industry silliness and surftech pretty operates like the clothing companies so the shops are used to it.
Don’t know about the being there to help bit.
Also Otay…what is the hypocrite alert on the name of your original post? Last time I checked all asian companies started off using Wester made boxes boxes until they could knock them off and make their own.
Quote:Also Otay…what is the hypocrite alert on the name of your original post? Last time I checked all asian companies started off using Wester made boxes boxes until they could knock them off and make their own.
The after thought of RR putting in PB on his surftech looks full on barnyard.
If ST were to use PB it you be beautifully finished with a slot for the insert/fin and the screw holes. It would be stronger, more hydrodynamically efficient and visually pleasing. RF has be able to do this for over 25 years but even the “advanced composite” companies can’t seem to pull this off. The balance of that board is all off now the arse end is loaded up with boxes and epoxy resin.
ST sets the toe and cant at the optimal position for the specific model for the fins that come with the board. Adjustable cant would seem ideal but with the locked in toe you are just rolling the dice on finding the ultimate set up.
Meanwhile on the beach the fin changing pit crew is looking for parts and pieces to change the cant angle and the ST rider is satisfied waiting for the next incoming set of waves knowing the ST engineers have done all the research for them regarding the fin set up. Just because we hang around a few dozen people on this site who like to experiment with cant angles doesn’t mean the other 99% care at all about it. But no worries, ST has them covered big time and they don’t even know it.
My subject comment was just an attempt to be funny and mock all who are hung up about the C4 model SUP boardworks deal. I just wished they considered Cobra to build them or have them done on Maui. The path of least resistance wins again!
Quote:Quote:Also Otay…what is the hypocrite alert on the name of your original post? Last time I checked all asian companies started off using Wester made boxes boxes until they could knock them off and make their own.
The after thought of RR putting in PB on his surftech looks full on barnyard.
If ST were to use PB it you be beautifully finished with a slot for the insert/fin and the screw holes. It would be stronger, more hydrodynamically efficient and visually pleasing. RF has be able to do this for over 25 years but even the “advanced composite” companies can’t seem to pull this off. The balance of that board is all off now the arse end is loaded up with boxes and epoxy resin.
ST sets the toe and cant at the optimal position for the specific model for the fins that come with the board. Adjustable cant would seem ideal but with the locked in toe you are just rolling the dice on finding the ultimate set up.
Meanwhile on the beach the fin changing pit crew is looking for parts and pieces to change the cant angle and the ST rider is satisfied waiting for the next incoming set of waves knowing the ST engineers have done all the research for them regarding the fin set up. Just because we hang around a few dozen people on this site who like to experiment with cant angles doesn’t mean the other 99% care at all about it. But no worries, ST has them covered big time and they don’t even know it.
My subject comment was just an attempt to be funny and mock all who are hung up about the C4 model SUP boardworks deal. I just wished they considered Cobra to build them or have them done on Maui. The path of least resistance wins again!
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hey OTAY
i agree with all that
surftech is a good option and i suggest as much to guys all the time
but i do think a small compsand maker can compete with surftech and from a small operation
or at least make a decent living
they just got to keep up
Quote:Quote:Also Otay…what is the hypocrite alert on the name of your original post? Last time I checked all asian companies started off using Wester made boxes boxes until they could knock them off and make their own.
The after thought of RR putting in PB on his surftech looks full on barnyard.
If ST were to use PB it you be beautifully finished with a slot for the insert/fin and the screw holes. It would be stronger, more hydrodynamically efficient and visually pleasing.
Are you sure?? My buddy was comparing my futures boxes on my PU and his ST Rusty and noted how recessed his fins were compared to mine. My fines and boxes were TOTALLY flush on my PU. I then compared my PU to my 2 STs and my PU is MUCH better fit being flush. It was the 1st time I ever doubted the construction or design of my STs.