Proper way to design a board in CAD

I wan’t to design a board totally in CAD… I’m an aerospace engineering student and I can use CNC machines at the university to shape a board… Not only the blank, coz the machines are precise up to 0.5mm, so I wanna design the finished board!!

I’ve been using aps3000 but that’s not a real cad program imo…

I’m wondering how to properly create a board in CAD programs like Catia, Solidworks or ProEngineer…

What jumps to mind first, would be to draw several slices of the board say every 10 or 5 cm and connect those… But if you do that, you’re kinda stuck with the first outline that you chose, because to change the outline of the board you’ll have to change the sketches of several slices…

So how do you guys draw your boards in 3D CAD programs? I’m just looking for a way to draw a board such that it can also be modified afterwards…

thnx already…

Hi Greg,

I have the same question too, but have you looked at Rhinoceros too,

Looks to me that makes designing easier,

but never had the time to really jump into that program,

to much surfing, shaping and life to be done…

Soul

hey Americangreg, i’ve designed and CNC’d hundreds of boards using ProEngineer.

feel free to email or PM me with questions.

kirk

well, what’s your “workflow” when designing in ProE?? What do you draw first? Outline? Rocker? And what tools do u use to draw them? Arcs? Parabolas? I’m just looking for a way to get started…

BTW, I’m gonna be using Catia, since that’s what we have at uni and that is the program that I master the best… I imagine ProE is kind of the same, but our faculty stopped learning students how to use ProE and switched to Catia… But all 3D Cad programs are similar in how to make things, most of the times the tools just have different names etc, but the principles are the same…

Hope u can lead me in the right direction…

i use conics to sketch the outline and profile.

kirk

but why?

ok and what do you use to gradually change the rail profile along the length of the board? I have a board now, but without rails… So it looks like a blank without shaped rails… How to draw gradually changing rail profiles?

variable section sweep

with a planer…hehehe

In CAD you are doing pretty close to

what you might do with a planer.

Start by laying out 3 curves:

One on the deck where the rail starts.

One at the rail apex.

And one on the bottom representing the tuck.

In Pro/E you might use (offset) from

boundary curves to construct them.

Each of these curves can have multiple offsets

from the square edge of the unshaped ‘blank’.

In the tail, the tuck offset might be small;

perhaps .060" flowing to a more generous

.625 just forward of the wide point and then

becoming smaller again as you approach the

nose

Now instead of using a planer to foil a

surface between/thru the three curves you

use them as trajectories for a conic surface.

The surface will stay attached to the curves

as it sweeps along the outline and stay tangent

to the deck and bottom surfaces.

In Pro/E the feature is a multiple trajectory

sweep. There are a number of options that

define how this surface behaves.

Let the mathematical characteristics for the

curves and surfaces you define ensure that

the overall curvature in your final board is

smooth. Then start doing some CNC programming.

I used CATIA way-back-when before it became

a parametric modeler. That’s a CAD kernel

that allows any dimension to be changed, even

after it has other geometry linked/attached to

it. Pro/E was the first and probably still the most

powerful. But difficult to learn and the latest version

has become too user interface top heavy which

can rob productivity unless you have good macros.

CATIA at the time was a boolean modeler where

every thing was static and so you had to do it

right the first time or do it over. Not much power

in that. A parametric modeler lets you tweak the

curves and dimensions until you get just the shape

you are after.

-Hein

Yeah Heins got it.

Get some of the Shaping videos and you will see that the hand shaping process has a logic to it.

1)Outline.

2)Put the bottom on. Rocker. Concaves

3)Put the Deck on. Foil. Deck roll

4)Rails. Use a Birial sweep in most 3d packages.

Look at:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_hBFYo2ZAWrM/Rp49x-W2MCI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/2KfsvZmPl_0/s1600-h/mavsoutline3.jpg

These are examples in wood of the first curves you need. Then start connecting the dots.

Looking at the board in slices is retrospective and would complicate the process. It’s very usefull information in hindsight.

Watch out for Resinhead he and his sidekick will back paddle you. He designs his equipment primarily for this function.

See ya at the Brock next south swell Resinhead!

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Looking at the board in slices is retrospective and would complicate the process. It’s very usefull information in hindsight.

So True. Use your analysis tools to ‘look’ at the board

and then go back and adjust dimensions and tweak curves to

get what you want. It is an iterative process. It helps

to walk away from it and come back to it a few times.

Consider how you have things constrained and how that will

effect the adjustments you want to make.

One trick is to define the rail apex curve as a function of

thickness so that the rail apex stays properly located as

you adjust the thickness distribution. I actually use a

graph feature to drive it. The offset can then be defined

by smooth curve or function. Very clean and powerful.

-Hein

Thnx Hein, this is the kind of information I was looking for, and you’ve helped me a lot… I’m designing a board right now and everything’s clear now how to ‘shape’ it… I’ll post some screenshots when it’s finished…