Appreciate the
prose mr.
Ambrose
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IMO eps is the way to go with SUP.
Have had both and appreciate the lightness of EPS.
Be good and you’re good.
The 12 foot blank comes with a 3/8” bass stringer (custom stringers are extra cost).
The dimensions are 27” width, 5 ½” thick tapering to 4 ½” at tail (24”) and 3” at tails end.
It is a rectangular block for the outline. The stock rocker has 3 ½” nose kick and 3 1/2 “
tail rocker. We can customize rocker and stringer any way you desire.
Shipping one blank to VA will cost some bucks. If I have an address I can get an estimate.
Oh, no charge for custom rockers!!!
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You are truly a small percentage of what the industry represents.
Um, isn’t that the point of Swaylocks? I mean, even the real pros who are in here are guys who have demonstrated a heck of a lot of individuality, innovation, and willingness to look outside your precious ‘industry’.
FWIW, in Santa Cruz or Pacifica, a 10’0" with clear glassing, including gloss & polish, is about $220. Was $190 or so, BC. And nobody’s complaining that they don’t make a profit.
Ironically, I’m right there with you on the EPS & epoxy. But that’s not answering the guy’s question. And a recommendation for a Surftech is gibberish. Its 32" wide for goodness sake! Might as well just put some outriggers on it. Then everyone can stand up.
4to8m8,
After reading all this I have to say I’m agreeing with all views… I’m no expert but have spent plenty time focused on SUP boards over the last year… The accomplishment of building your own board is awesome. although the ease of getting a ready to go pop-out is hard to overlook… I rode Surftechs and will say right up front I had some of the best waves of my life on the Mickey Munoz models from 10’-6" to the 12 footer. The boards are very durable and consistently put big smiles on my face…
I also have that desire to build my own. I loved my Surftechs but needed to customize them so I shaped and glassed a bunch of SUP protoypes in both PU/PE and EPS/Epoxy. Was it worth it? Heck yeah! Was it easy? Heck no! I’d say build your own if you have the desire to ride your own creation… Doesn’t matter if its a huge chunk of doo-doo when you’re done. A big 12 footer for SUP is an entry level board no matter who makes it. Now if you are dying to SUP surf the sooner the better then the ST Laird model is a great board to do it with… Re-selling it will be very easy too… I refer people in that direction all the time. Either way, making your own or buying a ST, its gonna put a gnarly dent in your pocket book…
The biggest downfall of SUP surfing is everything cost so much more… I also can tell you PLENTY people who try it quit. Its not easy to learn… This makes the initial investment a gamble… Unless you’re Mr Money Bags, spending well over a grand for a board requires some thinking… I always ask my customers these kinds of questions which you can also ask yourself…
Have you done it before?
How far will you have to carry your board?
What kind of waves will you be riding mostly?
How often do you plan on going out?
How much do you weigh?
Sometimes after talking to them I send them straight to get a Laird or Munoz model… For some people its all they need. Those boards will put smiles on their faces. Later on down the road they may take it to another level and come see us for a more progressive board. Our boards are way different then the Surftech models… Surftechs do have there place as far as SUP goes.
There are also other surfer/designers/shapers out there that will be offering lower priced entry level SUP boards soon… Most built overseas… The supply will only increase as prices drop as time goes on… Does this bother me? No. If people stop coming to me because they can get a better cheaper board from someone else then it means I’m not running my business and R&D correctly… I’m in business and don’t expect anyone of my competition to give me any slack… Right now the only reason anyone buys boards from us is they like the way they work… Its not because they are cheaper because they’re not. We are looking for ways to bring our prices down but instead of always focusing on that we focus on building boards people are willing to pay for…
In the end after all this is said… If you desire making your own then go for it. You will find a way to get a blank. You’ll research the foam options and eventually come to a conclusion that will get you started and rolling… I do recommend looking at the options EPS foam has to offer… We like and still use some PU foam BUT, EPS is more versatile and the finished board weight can be controlled much easier. If you decide to buy from someone else it may be what you need to fuel your direction for the one you will eventually build all while being in the water building up your skills… Good luck with your new project and have fun!!
Wave Riding Vehicles in VA have some Walker 12 footers at 30" widths.
Do o know the price on the 30" wide one? You are truely all over it.
thank you for your quick response
Sorry Benny i don’t agree,
This site has many peeps on it who just love surfbaords, don’t build them, just buy them.
I am glad you get a good polyester price in glassing but if they are illegal shops not following the rules of the law abiding citizens I can understand the price. If they are using illegal alien labor or not paying taxes, insurance, medical, dental it also explains the price. I can send you a price list from here if you like. BTW I am talking epoxy not crappy pu
More surftech hate. 32" width is perfect for a novice. Not all surfers have the skill of you or deep hate for surftech.
swaylocks home of the surftech haters!!!
Carve:
Good points. You are grounded in your discussions and you do offer positive directions. For the heck of it; I offered my homemade epoxy/eps 12’3" x 30" x 4" SUP on craigslist for $800 with bag and paddle. I got the first call within 10 minutes and sold it to the first caller the next day as I was being swampt with calls. I removed the ad after I sold it and my phone rang off the hook for the next two days. Everybody was asking where they could get beginner SUP boards, paddles etc. I referred them to your website and surftech.
Manao recently purchased a Laird surftech SUP. He paid some big bucks for it. He has the talent to shape a SUP and I would have glassed it for him. But he wanted to have one now to sneak in a few paddling sessions during his free time when he is not watching his baby. For him, it was worth it.
I still remember the wise words Carve once gave me: “whatever floats your boat”. Build or buy it’s all good. SUP is fun and great exercise.
I wish some of our Sway builders were here in Hawaii and experience the support we have here for each other. I got so much help and support from Oneula, Shark Country, CarveNalu. Manoa, Honolulu, etc. and other local non-sway guys like Charlie Wong and Mike Casey. We would just get together help each other build boards or learn SUP techniques.
Thanks,
D
Happy new year all!
yup UncleD is right! I paid big bucks for my Surftech Laird Hamilton board. Try $1650 plus tax…but I wanted it now.
Its 12’1"L x 31" wide x 4.13"thick.
It will make an awesome tandom board when my son is ready.
I wanted something entry level, and this board is great for what I’m looking for.
I will be documenting my progress/weight loss over the next three months. Hopefully, I’ll drop 30+ pounds…then I’ll ride something more performance (hint:carvenalu Sup)
enjoy. I can post pics of my Laird SUP?
I don’t think Spicko would like you saying his shop is illegal. He’s a great guy, great craftsman, and very well respected in this area. Whatever I say about Surftech, at least I make sure its true. What you say is close to slander.
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enjoy. I can post pics of my Laird SUP?
Happy New Year Manoa… Shoots! I’d like to see it… Thanks!
I do not have their price. Surf Skate in North Carolina also had some delivered
recently. You would have to call and ask them if they have any left. If not, ask them
if they will be ordering more.
Man you are bumin’ me out with misinformation. Sail boards are all now in the 8’ to 9’ range, are narrower than they ever have been and are all in the low 3" to 4" thickness range. The exceptions are the newer light wind/beginner boards that are quite a bit wider (30"plus). The 40% heavier for Poly is total “mis-info”. I see alot of stand-up here on Maui, after all this is where it started and there is hardly any differance in weight between epoxy and poly. The biggest advantage to epoxy is float: ie on top of the water. Also sailboards are more sailboat than surfboard and are meant to sail on top of and across water. You want something with bouyancy to jump and skim chop. What’s with the misleading info? PS Since 95% of al sailboards come out of Cobra in Thailand, who’s to say what’s wrong or right. It doesn’t compute when comparing a sailboard to surfboard. Is your info just Bias?
Find your self a 12’ Burford or an 11’3" King/Mac. Besides EPS these are the two main poly blanks being used here on Maui for stand up. Take any biased info about weight differeance etc with a grain of salt. This is a world of reality. Check websites to find a dealer near you.
This is one time I actually agree with you.
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Take any biased info about weight differeance etc with a grain of salt. This is a world of reality
Or you could take it from those who build, surf and CARRY them everyday.
4to8m8,
PU blanks will only result in a heavier board than using a 1#, 1.5# or even 2# EPS blank. Lugging around and paddling a PE/PU 12 footer can be a pain. If you have a short distance to carry it and like the extra weight while surfing then by all means, go with the PU blank… All of us who do it daily including our customers prefer the EPS/Epoxy when it comes to the 12’ entry level type boards for only one reason. Weight. Below is one board I built using PU/PE. Not only was it a pain to lug around but paddling it with all that weight sucked too… I have no loyalty for any type of foam. In the world of reality and boards over 11’, what everyone who has experience using and surfing both are trying to say about the EPS and weight is the true reality.
PU/PE 12’ x 28" x 5" Result: Back breaking heavy and sluggish all around compared to lighter EPS/Epoxy boards.
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Quote:You are truly a small percentage of what the industry represents.
Um, isn’t that the point of Swaylocks? No, I don’t think that is the case at all. certainly a lot of the daily posting is done by the small persentage.
FWIW, in Santa Cruz or Pacifica, a 10’0" with clear glassing, including gloss & polish, is about $220. Was $190 or so, BC. And nobody’s complaining that they don’t make a profit.
That’s cheap. It’s very low profit and low wages. Or, poorer quality. Take your pick. Nobody working for those wages owns their home, just riding their bike to work and eating bean sprouts, or bean burritos
Fair enough, McDing.
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Ben
Whatevah brah. You da “expert”.