I think Paul was just tired defending his business ethics on every post. His posts, now archived, are some of the most valuable on this forum. I really wish he’d get back online.
Lots of people are trying to make epoxy boards without the required work. It’s >dirty, but you hafta do it. I sometimes wish I owned a space suit. I hear ya. I wish EPS foam was that static eletric or repelled or something instead of sticking to “#¤&” everything. Is polyuretane foamdust just as bad? What’s up with the bikes, built in epoxy too? Thanks a bunch. regards, Håvard
I am sure there are many that would like to see Paul Gross back here posting. For those that are interested, I saw him Sunday and he is doing great. He was shaping a spoon and is busy with lots of projects. He is not connected to the internet and I don’t expect that he will any time soon. Roger
Roger - I’ll be surfing Malibu this Thursday & Friday morning. Any chance I could try out E.P.G.??? You can use my 9’0…it’s also a great belly board.
Harvard, Humidity and cold temps are your main culprits on the blush. If you like the resin you are currently using, make a low tech oven to solve this problem. Once the resin sees about 90F, the blush issues go away. If you are a small builder you can post cure the board at 100F pretty easily. In the states I would tell you to go to home depot and buy insulation foam, the kind with the reflective skins and buy a cheap heater at Target. Cheap, easy and works great. You could even outfit the oven with UV cure lamps for polyester UV cure boards. Jono
I am there almost every day early. You can certainly try out the EPG. I have another new one(9-8) that Paul made recently that you might want to try as well. It works equally well standing or belly riding. I will attempt to get a picture posted in the next week or so. This one is way outta the box and I have had 4 or 5 other guys try it out, just to be sure I was not deluding myself as to the magic of this board. I would love to try out your 9-0. See you in a couple days!!
Cool, it’ll be great to see your new board. See you Thursday am.
Paul was accused of making royalties off of someone else’s design. Tell me how I should feel about System 3’s SB112 or Surf Sources 2000 resins. They are both inferior knock off’s of our original system. Surf Source went so far as to even knock off our product code (2000). I’m a big boy and I know that it’s just business, but… I hope this clarifies things a bit. Ovens, extra sanding, post curing. That’s what I meant about “wasting time.” Faster resins and simple additives to eliminate problems such as blush. Simple, easy methods to solve problems that appear to be unsolvable without drastic and difficult measures. I’m sorry that Havard doesn’t have access to these products.
Epoxy isn’t any good. Throw your epoxy board in the trash and get a “real” surfboard you kook!
“I hear ya. I wish EPS foam was that static eletric or repelled or something instead of sticking to “#¤&” everything. Is polyuretane foamdust just as bad?” I think so, but it’s been a while. “What’s up with the bikes, built in epoxy too?” I designed and built two recumbent bikes. I welded together the frames and seats from steel. I’ve got more on the drawing board, but the last bike’s form worked so well and looks so good… The design is unique and, I think, marketable. Its only problem is weight, so I’m thinking about building a new one with carbon fiber (fibre). The transition from steel to CF is HUGE, though. I’ve gotten some basic CF joining instruction, but I’ve never worked with it before. The liability of somebody riding one when it fails is scary to say the least. Steel fails by bending. Composites fail in massive explosions… fibers protruding through body parts. YIKES! OO
Greg, It seems to me that your 1st post seemed more like a self promotion commercial for Additive F, but on this post you explained what causes blush and why Addittive F works to solve the problem. I think Jono was just calling it like he saw it. Tom
I always love to see an argument backed by facts. Care to furnish any?
I have, over the past few months, submitted over 400 posts on this site. Many of those were technical inserts about Additive F. Jono is a regular feature here and knows this. Writing the same thing over and over gets a bit frustrating and again, sorry that the first post came out the way it did. But Jono also makes epoxy boards and has many opinions on said product. I don’t believe that Jono has EVER seen or tried Additive F or Resin Research epoxies. Certainly not recently. Therefore he is speaking out of ignorance when he makes comments about me or my products and his judgment of my motives were WRONG!!! My promotion here has primarily been of the idea of producing superior product. To promote ideas that will advance the craft of board building, something I have loved and been involved in since the '60’s. If you disagree with this Jono, fine, we disagree. But if your motive is to cast aspersions on me or my product with name calling (spin doctor) then I protest. And that’s the way I see it.
quote: Greg’s a fine craftsman,too bad you can’t see the trees from the forest,razzor. unquote I’m too stupid to understand that post. Please elaborate.
so greg, if what you say is true about these other companies ripping off your stuff it must piss you off when guys here suggest using those products.
I will admit there is a bit of “nails on the blackboard” feel to it, but these guys don’t know the history and are not part of that in any way. It wouldn’t be fair for me to take out what product people prefer to use on anyone here. The real problem I have with it is that if your going to copy a product shouldn’t you try and improve on it? Neither system did and in fact neither are as broad or comprehensive as ours. They haven’t added to the mix or advanced the art in any way. And they certainly aren’t here on Swaylocks giving away information. It’s a purely money motivated endeavor perpetrated buy two corporate ramoras. Their hope is that I’ll do all the tough leg work in promoting and educating an industry while they sit back and scoop up the cash. Somehow I keep fooling myself into thinking that if I do the legwork there may be some residual loyalty developed between me and my customers. But I know the real key to survival has been and will be the advancement of the materials themselves, my ability to communicate the advantages of my products and my ability to create beyond the competition.
Greg, Are we likely to see your stuff in Australia? ie someone liscencing your formulations. People are worried about Cobra here too (Thailand is a lot closer and they are doing PU/polyester boards now) You’d probably find there’d be a few people here looking again at epoxies.
I hope to find distributors all over the world. I’ve talked to some potential guys in Austrailia but nothing yet. Likewise in Europe. I do have one in Japan, another in Costa Rica, one opening in California in the fall, another possibly in Texas, and one in Noth Carolina that’s up and running now. I also have hopes of one in the Pacific north west. Takes time to find the right people.
Ok, When you do get someone distributing here, don’t forget to let us know by posting some shameless self promotion on Swaylocks
Hi Noodle I was just reading you’re ideas for Carbon fibre tubing. I’m no expert, but I once saw a prototype mountain bike that was home built, and they used aluminium (we spell it differently in the UK) joints at all the corners of the frame. Kind of like a spigot fitting. These were then bonded into place, with an epoxy based adhesive. I’m sure you could knock some up with some tubing and a MIG or TIG welder (you could hire one). Or even (when you’re selling them by the truck load, you coud use recyled plastic joints - keep it green)? Have you thought about (I’m sure you have)trying to create the stucture as a monoqoque like the formula one cars are made?? Good luck Peaman