Quick one for the compsand guys..

General Discussion
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Thanks for the contribution everyone, just like any opinion on the best board, there is many opinions on how to make them. I appreciate everything everyone has to offer and I’m making notes. I wish i had some pics but thats not possible right now.

I don’t have my offcuts anymore, since i moved my “workshop” from home to a worksite i am at. big pain in the rear but they will be kept for next time.

My main problem, i wasn’t sure how much the balsa would contour to the rails, so i shaped the board 100%, then used a rail banding tool marked at 2 cm, to cut off the rails. This i think could have been much less, since the balsa i know notice can conform quite a large degree. This also creates less work when building the rails.

My plan now, is to use epoxy and my vac bag again to pull the rails on, instead of a wack load of tape. That seems to be the best option i have left (without insane amounts of work)

looks like a started abit of a firestorm here, but thats what sways is about.

on another note, just wanted to plug the vents i got in. I think some people have used em here on sways, the Goretex ones from Casica Eng. They look SWEET. Can’t wait to put them in and forget about them. Dave

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i find a good industrial quickset epoxy to be ideal

or tightbond would work as well

problem is HUIE, if you post it here

firewire will get it and so will china

me personally, i use solid HD foam for my rails

its faster and water resistant and you can run a strip of some wood on the inside to stiffen things up

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Hi Huie,

could you direct me to the 21st century way of building out rails on compsand.com, coz I sure can’t find it.

regards,

Håvard

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QFT

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Hi Huie,

could you direct me to the 21st century way of building out rails on compsand.com, coz I sure can’t find it.

regards,

Håvard

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harvard

               i know you like to get me going

         but that aint gona work

                                                           huie

                                                      @compsand.com
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where do I pay my membership fees and do I get access to the pool?

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Sorry huie… I to went to compsand.com and couldn’t find any 21st century advice on how to improve my rail build-ups.?

Please enlighten us.

Les

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the 21st century was a crack at the troll.

the method i use dates way back

i once posted some glimers of my method but got some smart ass crack

so why bother.

its not in the best interest of the compsand crew for me to blab on

besides there are so many ways to do things when you work whith this medium

i am just critical when i hear you guys continualy wingeing about applying the rails

the compsand forum is open for you guys as paul said we got to watch we dont give everything to the

wrong people

as for joining the club& jumping in the pool      see paul  @compand.com

kind regards huie @compsand.com

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the compsand movement seems to have a life of its own,

there is a pretty clear division throughout the membership of those with a comercial intrests and hobbiests

this is a good thing and both interests can be catered for and can co exist in harmony

comercial techniques (as huie was refering to. re rail buildouts) are indeed being developed and are less relevant for the home builders

although some things do cross over

to publish here would benefit a large manufacturer but have little use for a guy that makes a couple a year

with the site upgrade and release of the trademark some of these techniques will be available for use to guys that are into selling boards

and some other stuff available for home builders( will be available through a mimimal subscription fee. dont worry we are not trying to get rich!,we are not even covering expenses.)

there is however, no great mysteries so dont hold your breath

as huie said

some of it is as old as cutlaps and carvel planks

what will become obvious over time however,

is that we got everything the big boys have and some

as far as rails buildup

ive been saying SANS/PVC and industrial quickset epoxy for about 2 years

i dunno why people are messing around with gorilla glue and balsa wood

if ya wanna use wood on the rail

use good wood

aint that right huie!

whatever happens it will happen this year

at this stage i am feeling like we are in support of boardcad as software of choice

prefer more water resistant woods on the rails

epoxy for glues( no brand preferences other then availablity and price)

rails under or over skins (eitherway okay)

plug fin systems as standard(other stuff okay at customers request)

we are leaning toward raptor plugs (the aussie battler, sells plugs only at avery reasonable price)

high density FOAM inserts for plugs with glass patches

and a prefered glass schedual of 6 oz all over when using balsa wood

it is important that the compsand boards are competetive with imported popouts

and focuses on the CUSTOM and local aspect of the industry

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When Oneula and I learned how to make balsa covered boards, we shaped the blanks and then wrapped the balsa skins around the rails. I think this is the simplest way to do it. It also makes a very strong board since the rail is a compound shape. On your next board try doing it this way with 1/16 " wood and a layer of 4oz glass between the skin and the blank.

The wood rail method takes more time, adds more weight, and costs more in wood and glue. If you do the wrap just right, it’s hard to see where the top and bottom overlap. Just be careful when you sand it cause 1/16" wood is easy to sand through.

For the wood rail boards, I do the bottom skin, then add half of the rail bands, then shape the top contour, add the top skin, and add the final layers of the rail bands. This makes a solid connection between the wood rail and the top skin, because the top skin overlaps part of the rail, and leaves a little flex on the bottom because the rail is not overlapped.