i remember derek hynd was riding a 5’8’ x 22 frye fish in litmus. what are the nose and tail measurements of those types of boards.
i remember derek hynd was riding a 5’8’ x 22 frye fish in litmus. what are > the nose and tail measurements of those types of boards. …I can tell you what dims I have used, that work. …18-1/2 NOSE, 22-1/2 MID, 17-1/2 TAIL OR 18 X 22 X 17.Hope this helps,Herb.
Here are some numbers I have from a Steve Lis Fish made in 1971. 5’5", 17 3/8" x 21"(6" ahead of center) x 17" x 13" corners. 7" deep swallow. Fins 5.5" up. I’m not a fish shaper, so I am only passing on what I have in my notes. These numbers may be way, way out of date.
Here are some numbers I have from a Steve Lis Fish made in 1971.>>> 5’5", 17 3/8" x 21"(6" ahead of center) x 17" x > 13" corners.>>> 7" deep swallow. Fins 5.5" up.>>> I’m not a fish shaper, so I am only passing on what I have in my notes. > These numbers may be way, way out of date. …Those are good numbers,but I would move the wide point back about 2-1/2"in such a short board(at least for a stand-up stick)those numbers are for a kneerider,and a lower center of gravity will work with the wide point that far forward,but for a stand-up,it would most likely be stiff,and/or tracky.I would probably reduce the tail width abit too,but that’s me…Herb
Fish threads are my favorite! I dont know why these boards captivate me like they do. I’m with Herb on tweeking the numbers a bit for a stand up board, but if you could stand up on a mid five foot board the lis numbers would do, but like Herb said “stiff & tracky”.
Fish threads are my favorite! I dont know why these boards captivate me > like they do. I’m with Herb on tweeking the numbers a bit for a stand up > board, but if you could stand up on a mid five foot board the lis numbers > would do, but like Herb said “stiff & tracky”. Makes sense. These numbers were from a kneeboard-specific fish…and 31 years old! Lis and Frye fish have straight ahead fin placement. Does anyone else go that route?
Fish threads are my favorite! I dont know why these boards captivate me > like they do. I’m with Herb on tweeking the numbers a bit for a stand up > board, but if you could stand up on a mid five foot board the lis numbers > would do, but like Herb said “stiff & tracky”. Just a thought: the first place I
d investigate if I had a mid five foot board with those numbers and handling characteristics would be the fins, not the template. A 1971 Lis Fishs keels had no cant, no toe-in with a long base. Thats enough to cause a standing surfer to interpret its handling as "stiff and tracky". Change one design element at a time, working from the simplest tot he most complex. To produce the greatest effect for the least amount of effort and expense, a boards fins are the place to start.
Just a thought: the first place I
d investigate if I had a mid five foot > board with those numbers and handling characteristics would be the fins, > not the template. A 1971 Lis Fishs keels had no cant, no toe-in with a > long base. Thats enough to cause a standing surfer to interpret its > handling as "stiff and tracky". Change one design element at a > time, working from the simplest tot he most complex. To produce the > greatest effect for the least amount of effort and expense, a boards fins > are the place to start. …I have owned a 73’Lis with these numbers(ask Magic man),and have built several with straight keels or with toed/canted set-ups.The straight fins did make it a tracky board,but in the case of toed and canted fins on the same template,the board was still tracky and stiff,but by moving the wide point down,and narrowing the tail abit,the board design came to life with lots of positive looseness.Herb
Man, I wish I was surfing in the early 70’s (started in 76/77 or so). I feel like I missed somthing realy cool.
Man, I wish I was surfing in the early 70’s (started in 76/77 or so). I > feel like I missed somthing realy cool. I can remember Sid Madden taking one our fish shapes with a bit of V tail and making it into a single fin. The board was around 5 foot something and we stuck a real twangy flex Greenough type 10" fin on it.He proceeded to rip Swami’s apart on that thing.JUst a thought.Where is Sid anyway??..R.B.
…I have owned a 73’Lis with these numbers(ask Magic man),and have > built several with straight keels or with toed/canted set-ups.The straight > fins did make it a tracky board,but in the case of toed and canted fins on > the same template,the board was still tracky and stiff,but by moving the > wide point down,and narrowing the tail abit,the board design came to life > with lots of positive looseness.Herb Herb were you personally experienced (as a kneeboarder) with the Lis Fish as it was originally designed before reinterpreting the specs for stand up? Riding a while standing vs. kneelo completely changes the dynamics.
Herb were you personally experienced (as a kneeboarder) with the Lis Fish > as it was originally designed before reinterpreting the specs for stand > up? Riding a while standing vs. kneelo completely changes the dynamics. …Yup,I started kneeboarding in 70’ ,for the first year and a half or so ,I kneeboarded almost every session.(still have my old duckfeet,too!)I still kneeboard,from time to time,and have gotten so good at it that I don’t need a specific type board to do it with anymore.Sometimes (while surfing stand-up) on super-late (I mean late,like pitching over you as you turn to set-up a take-off)take-offs. I pop-up to my knees grab the rail and on the fall(because it not a drop anymore)turn it sideways and slide/freefall in the pocket/tube,with control,and 99% of the time, make it with no problems.(note:the ones I have eatten doing this just about killed me,hurts!!!) I usually do this in very sizeable waves.As far as comparing the ups and downs of a Lis fish,yes I’ve done my homework,and gotten an A+ ON MY TESTS,And Stevie, you’re right as rain,the dynamics of kneeboarding is completely different than stand-up (on any board for that matter)…HAVING FUN!!!Herb
…I started kneeboarding after I moved to Bell,Ca.(EastL.A.)from ImperialBeach Ca.The reason being is I could take a board under 6 foot on the bus(this eventually transformed into under 6 foot stand-up fish boards).It also made it easier to ride a bike with a board under my arm. …I use to ride the bus or ride my bike to H.B./SealBeach from Bell,or to Venice,that’s like 20+ miles one direction,thru some not so friendly neighborhoods.All that and with a wetsuit on(if you could call them that,more like black cardboard suits,talk about rashes).Never did get hassled.I’ll bet most people felt sorry for me.The farthest I rode my bike with gear was from Bell to ImperialBeach, from before sun-up to after dark,all in one day,man was I sore. …Hey Stevie,thanks for making me remember my roots,It’s good to see how far life has taken me,what a trip!!!Herb
…I was 15yrs old when I took the long ride from Bell to I.B.,what a nutty kid I was…determination will get you there!Herb
Aside from being 5.5" up, would you mind posting the distance from stringer and overall fin dimensions? Thanks!
…I was 15yrs old when I took the long ride from Bell to I.B.,what a > nutty kid I was…determination will get you there!Herb Herb! Those were exactly the responses I had hoped for! Have you ever ridden a single fin (hull) flex spoon ala George Greenough? Thank you for sharing.
…I was 15yrs old when I took the long ride from Bell to I.B.,what a > nutty kid I was…determination will get you there!Herb Back in the day I used to hitchike from Carson to Redondo Breakwater & back with a 7’10" Fain’s Formula IV, lotta times I hiked home…wished I had a bike, wish I still had that board!
Back in the day I used to hitchike from Carson to Redondo Breakwater & > back with a 7’10" Fain’s Formula IV, lotta times I hiked > home…wished I had a bike, wish I still had that board! You probably also wish you were 15 again, except this time around with a 45 year old mind! Heh heh heh!
…Yup,I started kneeboarding in 70’ ,for the first year and a half > or so ,I kneeboarded almost every session.(still have my old > duckfeet,too!)I still kneeboard,from time to time,and have gotten so good > at it that I don’t need a specific type board to do it with > anymore.Sometimes (while surfing stand-up) on super-late (I mean late,like > pitching over you as you turn to set-up a take-off)take-offs. I pop-up to > my knees grab the rail and on the fall(because it not a drop anymore)turn > it sideways and slide/freefall in the pocket/tube,with control,and 99% of > the time, make it with no problems.(note:the ones I have eatten doing this > just about killed me,hurts!!!) I usually do this in very sizeable waves.As > far as comparing the ups and downs of a Lis fish,yes I’ve done my > homework,and gotten an A+ ON MY TESTS,And Stevie, you’re right as rain,the > dynamics of kneeboarding is completely different than stand-up (on any > board for that matter)…HAVING FUN!!!Herb There were these two guys that looked like they were from the mainland kneeboarding at my local semi secret spot on the north shore back in '72 that till this day put on the best tube riding display I have ever seen there. They were riding fishes and got into the waves quite early, carved the outside section, and got barreled so much deeper than anyone else was at the time. I got an Aipa shaped fish soon after that was shaped for Jimmy Blears. It was great for small stuff, but lacked bottom curve to be effective in steeper waves. But Ill never forget those two fish kneeboarders. FD
Aside from being 5.5" up, would you mind posting the distance from > stringer and overall fin dimensions? Thanks! Sorry John, that’s all the info I have no…spacing or depth or base length. I think Larry Gephardt down in San Diego still makes the “proper” kind of Lis fish fins.