As they say, the truth will set you free.
No more compelling evidence than video.
Click on left video feature and watch Tom Curren’s ride.
http://www.aspworldtour.com/…ode=72000&rDay=8
NO BS, just the TRUTH.
tomgofast!
yeehawww…
Nice wave, but what’s your point?
We have no way of knowing how fast Tom was travelling, so what’s the ‘truth’ you are talking about ?
As for BS, there was no more BS speed assertion than your “The fastest surfer is the most talented surfer the furthest back in the pocket” statement which you made a few days ago.
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I can’t speak for the point craftee was trying to make, but this is what I get out of it…
If you, tombloke, can surf faster than curren was surfing in that video, then you should be able to provide a video that actually LOOKS like you’re going fast!
There might not be any hard data, but a person can watch that vid and say, “man, he is really moving”. Subjective? Absolutely, but that’s the kind of thing that actually gets people’s attention. Nobody carries GPS units with them to go surfing, the whole experience is a subjective one. And being the intuitive experience that it is, people’s senses are very attuned to all the components. A surfer can look at another surfer and see if he is really cooking or not. If you’re making “wow” speeds on your boards, then they should look “wow” when you watch them. Simple.
You want to prove your point about speed? Leave your GPS at home and get some video of you really moving on a steep walled up freight train wave. That’ll carry more weight here than all the GPS data in the world.
Doesn’t look like the over rockered super concave boards i have heard sooo much about.
Watching Andy rip the piss out of the wave up - down all around sliding his tail out
with Shaun talking about these surfers and their use of the fine line?
This couldn’t be put any more simple, clearer, or easier to understand. My money says Roy will make an 8 pager out of it. 
…hey man, I dont see any Curren there
only Iron there…
What I see in that vid is a real wave, giving a great surfer the chance to do what I like to call power glides. Nearly effortless pumps, but speed pumps not tail hop pumps, that greatly increase his speed. That is just obvious. As he pumps his board, you’ll notice his board rises up into the power pocket of the wave, which is slightly above the middle of the face and just under the lip. Coincidently right where a fish spends most of it’s time.
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This couldn’t be put any more simple, clearer, or easier to understand
So each individual wave will have a max speed, and each piece of equipment will have certain speed potentials, anything above and beyond will be up to the rider…Tomson reads words about a fine line but also speaks of J Bay as a canvas for the different riders…individual artistic expressions rather than Specialized Process Control data…
Hey didja see Curren surf? That smooth, elegant California point break thing…going the distance, rather than going for the money shot. Bet he was having fun! Flying like a pelican. Easy to forget he was the guy who grew up as the fulcrum point in modern surfing, one foot in what is now frequently viewed as a pile of wreckage going back to the 1950’s and the other firmly in the course “modern” surfing still follows.
Nels
As he pumps his board, you’ll notice his board rises up into the power pocket of the wave, which is slightly above the middle of the face and just under the lip.
Bingo.
IOW, a talented surfer who can consistently place him and his board in the power pocket? Hmm, sounds familiar. Who said that recently?
Good post Schwuz. The eyes dont lie.
My point? Betting someone is having the most fun going really fast…like roller coaster fast…turning like a roller coaster too…my money bets on TC.
Wait a minute!
I just noticed…TC’s on a multi-fin shortboard!
WHA?
But that cant be…going really fast on a multifin shortboard defies the laws of physics and all advanced forms of mathematical logic.
DAMN YOU MULTIFIN SHORTBOARDERRRRRS!!!
Without the spray off TC’s little S blips on his speedy line or his low stance or given that he’s on a board that’s half the length of Roy’s, a smaller fraction of the weight, and so a lot more twitchy in its line, would you know how fast he was going? If Roy’s boards were smaller and lighter, and if he blipped little S pumps, would you be able to see his speed better? I can see a fair bit of speed on the vids he left up. I don’t think a lot of guys have the sack to ride those boards at those sizes and weights at those speeds. Drop and trim speed is his passion and he is passionate about it. Seems like a surfer to me to hone in on the things about the ride he really loves.
If Roy were not so passionate and thus apt to get frustrated and be abrasive, would people still hammer him and bait him so? Roy, if you’d condense your answers to multiple posters into one post and simply address them by name like everyone else, you’d go a good way
Anyone:
What is the “power pocket?” I mean I know where it is, but WHAT is it, in terms of physics–I mean it’s a pocket of physics you’ve given a neat name to, but can you describe the physics of the “power pocket?”
Ive got more passion than anyone on this BB.
I just dont have any angst nor anyone to really recognize it (passion).
…and I go real fast too!
Craftee I’m a big fan of Tom Curren’s, and I’m sure he got up to a good speed on that wave, but we don’t really know how fast unless we measure it
We can appreciate Tom’s surfing and his fast driving style without making a war out of it, let it all hang out !
J bay is certainly a great canvas for down the line surfing, I’d love to have a piece of it, it would be no trouble to make the wave while having a wee cup of tea I’m sure !
Cheers
Roy
…craftee,
I tell ya one thing: other guy and me in the same wave. Me in a 5 10 Bonzer going straight in the face of the wave, the other in a 5 10 thruster pumping the board to go the exact speed like me…
so, if a viewer in the beach only see 1 surfer in the wave, for ex the thruster guy pumping his board around the curl of the wave…well, might think wow faster moves…
or see me without pumping the bonzer…and he can say…hmmm yes this guy pass sections, but Im not impressed with his speed…
so, give some credit to T Bloke at least…
Reverb,
Roy has made some very lofty claims around here the last three years.
Some might read his claims and conclude that he’s proly the fastest surfer, because he argues with such furver.
Going back a few, I was curious to see him surf, based on his claims.
Honestly, I really wanted to see something special or at least different.
Then, Roy posted his vids.
Honestly, I was vastly disappointed.
I did not want to be disappointed.
But I was.
I just dont see the speed he is claiming.
I simply see a guy going fast on a heavy board that projects really well after a drop, catching up with a poorly positioned semi-kook on a funboard.
Ive seen similar stuff on old Bruce Brown films from the 60’s.
After posting his vids, he continues to pitch his religion.
SO here we have a video of someone going REALLY FAST on a type of board that Roy has claimed as being slow. Roy even went as far as calling it “slowboarding”.
My claim has always been consistent;
Surfer Ability
Wave
Board
You need all three to go REALLY FAST. You cannot make claims about ultimate speed without considering ALL THREE FACTORS. When you do consider all three, then you open up the proverbvial “can-of-worms”…the “RAM” Bill so eloquently described for us (thanks Bill).
That can-of-worms, like Bill said, is very difficult for most to comprehend with any accuracy. But the TC video clearly shows when all three elements are working to its fullest potential. People dont need a keen knowledge of physics to understand what TC is doing. He’s simply haulin’ass. Way WAY faster than any video Roy has posted.
We can all appreciate what our eyes can plainly see can we? Why did Roy say “nice wave” instead of “nice ride”? Surely, everyone else who saw it thought “what a ride!” Could it be emotional bias clouding one’s judgement? Ego protection?
At the end of the day, what’s the point of the relentless speed debate?
Entertainment?
Promotional Sales?
You decide.
I posted a really cool vid. Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did.
PS - as for posting videos of me surfing…trust me I would LOVE to be able to do that…with a bit of practice in that lineup, that TC ride is within my reach. Im sure others can make similar claims. Like Lokbox said, “effortless”. But honestly, what others think of my surfing has never been of importance to me…I only care what I think of my surfing. Its much more fun to be the pilot than the observer. I am my own worst critic.
ok well just a few stills…
dude that wave is so p1mp!! That is soooooooooooooooooo money!! thanks craftee. A friend has this Chords Jbay DVD going to borrow it mang. I love J bay!!!
surf down for 3 football fields??? On a wave like that???
Man!!
the power pocket physics . . . the swell’s energy is pushing the water and gathering it up, and that is the transfer point where that energy is converted (from ground swell to wave). Its the source where the energy transfer (into breaking the wave, sound etc). In very simple terms.
I’m sure others can explain it way better than I can.
as for GPS and speed measuring . . . remember speed is in the eye the beholder. . . Roy just wants to quantify via GPS.
But man that is a fun wave. Roy’s videos have some good breaks also . . .
LOL I’m in california and need to drag my lazy ass over to a P-break and get in line . . .
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...craftee,I tell ya one thing: other guy and me in the same wave. Me in a 5 10 Bonzer going straight in the face of the wave, the other in a 5 10 thruster pumping the board to go the exact speed like me…
so, if a viewer in the beach only see 1 surfer in the wave, for ex the thruster guy pumping his board around the curl of the wave…well, might think wow faster moves…
or see me without pumping the bonzer…and he can say…hmmm yes this guy pass sections, but Im not impressed with his speed…
so, give some credit to T Bloke at least…
In terms of absolute speed, since the thruster guy is covering the same linear distance with lots of linked curves he is going farther in same amount of time and hence faster. He also feels more variation in g-force and like he is working harder. I like the more Zen version, but tastes differ.
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In terms of absolute speed, since the thruster guy is covering the same linear distance with lots of linked curves he is going farther in same amount of time and hence faster. He also feels more variation in g-force and like he is working harder. I like the more Zen version, but tastes differ.
The secret of the surfing life is this:
Trim and Grin!
Curren knows…
Real Speed??? Doesn’t need to be measured by GPS… For example… I needed a lady to represent my boards because so many women asked why my website didnt have any girls or women and a good part of my business is helping out the gals…
When I found out Pro Longboarder Crystal Dzigas wanted to ride my boards I put it all together faster than any Maalaea freight train! That my friends was REAL SPEED!
The results of REAL SPEED…
Crystal is one of the nicest people you will ever meet. She is an awesome positive person for our company and is one of the best women surfers in Hawaii. To top it all off, she is very pleasing to look at!
