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If they have a box, a leash hole thru the deck is acceptable.
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I totally agree.
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Your customer can always drill a hole in the fin at the base and attach a piece of shock cord or surgical tubing to it. Can't get much more authentic than that!
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Uh, I don't think you can joke like that in this thread. Someone's liable to take you seriously! =)
My comments were simply a further elaboration on why that method was a bad idea. I made no reference to the intent of his post. I usually ignore most of what he says, anyway.
I can remember when legropes (leashes) first showed up. I surfed this one very popular break where they were laughed at. If you paddled out with one tied to your leg the local crew would all start making choking and gagging sounds like they were drowning and hysterically yell out “save me I can’t swim”. Also included would be various chicken clucks and acccusations of being a kook or a twinkie boy.
I still wonder if some of the people in the current lineup can actually swim.
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I still wonder if some of the people in the current lineup can actually swim.
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Boy, you've got that right!
I know some cant, even know a guy who has surfed J-Bay, Chopes and plenty other solid waves round Oz and Nz and can not swim at all…good bloke but very dangerous pratice indeed…
My suggestion is to make a very professional fiberglass rope bridge on the deck, very near the tail. That looks very good on that kind of board.
As for surfing and swimming… Swimming well is a requisite for learning to surf, by all means. Please encourage people who want to learn how to surf to become good swimmers first. Leashes break, sometimes, when you are in dangerous places in the water.
Castrillo, how many people (besides me) have you seen surfing without a leash on overhead waves in our island? In my opinion, people should learn how to bodysurf before even trying a bodyboard or a surfboard. Roger, please, more photos of those beautiful singlefins please!!!
Your interpretation of a 70's single-fin downrailer is too refined to be considered an authentic retro. PS------------By that I simply mean you did too good a job. Most of those boards had terribly beaked noses. Awful full down rails. As they wen narrower they got worse. An eighteen incher was domed and had a terrible rail profile. The reason being is that most guys were using one common Clark blank to shape those boards out of. If you walked into Mitch's in those days all you saw was a row of the same blank with a few variations.
I'm going down to my storage at Derrel's and dig out my 70's mags. I'll check my topical index and have the final and aurthoritative answer to this topic forwith. OH! Sorry! Didn't realize you had already done that.
Howzit McDing…I am shaping em just like I did in the 70’s and I did a LOT of them. Kinda like riding a bike.Using authentic 70’s templates…Skil planer (I wanted to use my pussy ass little Hitachi to do the railbands but I resisted the urge). I even played authentic Led Zep music at ear splitting volume.
Perhaps the fact that I actually wore shoes and was straight affected the results. I used to smoke a big fat spliff before entering the dark walled room but I quit doing drugs and alchohol a long time ago. Maybe thats why the shapes are “refined” as you say. If you have any suggestions laye em on me.
I have included a couple of pics. One is a rough shape I am doing and the other is what I consider a primo example of a 70’s board.
Mr Clean, Don't put a leash plug..or loop, or what wever you call it. Keep it clean..save the $1.50 too. I say some Rory Rusel Bolt reproductions a few years back..Very clean, very nice..No leash plug. Let the owner fuck it up if he wants.
I like how this thread like all other swaylock threads have morphed into a 'How many old guys does it take to do this..or that". For god sakes Mr. Clean has been building and glassing boards as long or maybe longer than Jim P. To call him out that his 70's shapes are not correct is Blasphmy (exactly what was the correct 70's shape?) The next thing my virgin ears is going to hear is on the line of "Mr. Clean can't do pinlines correctly"...........Agggaahhhhhhhh! some body burn me at the stake, I must be a demon!!!!
Come on Man
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(exactly what was the correct 70's shape?)
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Hard to pin down. It was changing on an almost weekly basis. There were many ''correct'' shapes.
Bill It was also a time when were you surfed might determin what you were surfing. Fish, Eggs, Would be more prevlent at some places and laughed at in other places.
Jim Phillips is old. He was always older than me. he was old when he was 17 and I was his 15 year old sidekick. I am only 63. Y’all might be right about the resin pins. I friggin had to pull the tape around 6 times before I could get one straight. used to lay em down in a couple of minutes. I considered mcDing’s “refined” statement as a compliment…Al of this input is legitimate in my book.
. The early 70’s period intrigues me as it was the first time I saw a lot of quality in board building. very refinedTints,opaques,resin pins, and shapes that just flowed like an art form.Also it was the first time I ever saw a machine polished gloss and I freaked out. it was on a Channin-Diffenderfer.
I have include 2 more pics of what I consider prime examples of 70’s boards. I found the pics on an Australian website.
Thanks for the photos Roger, laughed my ass off with your response about the spliff, being barefoot and Led… Resinhead’s “the demon” comment was also very funny as always, Kokua once told me you (Roger) are one of the best glassers on this forum and Jim too, I have his dvd’s and have seen the proof. Any rail photos? I am learning to shape and want to get this design right before trying anything else, love the lines on those 70’s semi guns.
You are so right about those blanks. They were mostly all shaped by Dick Brewer and everybody used em. Flat decks,square rails and all of the thickness forward. The tails were really thin so it was hard to thin em out by just taking straight planer passes. You had to basically refoil the whole thing and a lot of the newer shapers couldn’t do it.
You are also right about the 18" wide SpeedNeedles made popular by Reno. Eveybody wanted them. Looked good but basically useless.(I am getting ready to shape one …gotta do it ya know). Funny thing is all of these boards that I speak of were not that great as far as riding went. I think Jim Phillips called them “Design Mistakes”.
Funny--- Back then nobody seemed to be concerned about the beaked nose or flat bottom. I rarely saw a spoke shave or Stanley mini-plane around shaping rooms. The flat bottom was fast, but didn't turn worth a damn. The shape you have done has some 70's features, but would be considered light years ahead of it's time in 1970. Good shaping. I rode eggs and refined twins thru that era. Was never happy with the flat bottom down railers myself.