sanded finish

General Discussion
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a gloss coat has its merits. i am not disputing that. but it is not needed for every kind of board - this extra coat of resin will add extra weight - except for on your boards of course :) - and the benefits on a 4 oz glass job are not going to add up to much. i would rather put a layer of 5oz with a sanded hotcoat instead of 4oz with a gloss coat. that would be stronger! 

no glasser who is trying to make a board as light as possible for the materials he is using will put on an unnecessary extra coat of resin.

if you know what you are doing with a sander then you can sand a hotcoat that has been prepped correctly through the stages of laminating and hotcoating without grinding into the weave! and with some other tricks you can provide a finish that will not take on fingerprints.

if you want to use a gloss coat do it - i just finished building a board last night with a gloss coat - but it is not an imperative.

this is a pointless back and forth - so i am out! take it for what its worth.........

 

 

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its not a gloss coat, its a finish coat and if you can feel the difference in weight then you are using too much resin. i know for a fact there are very well made polyester boards lighter then yours and they all have finish coats.

btw dont convince me you have to convince your customers that even tho all the best and or bigest glass shops do it, for some reason you have some secret method of glassing all the masters DONT know about, that creates a better glass job in two coats

 

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and since when do newbies glassing on swaylocks shape a cough hack “performance shortboard”

and btw are you advocating that newbies should do 4oz freelap glass jobs on there pride and joys.

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and this leads us all back full circle to the epoxy/eps debate that its better when people are building `POS polys with crap foam. blah blah blah…

its plainly evident that a good shape that is well built in good qaulity materials IS THE GO. whether it epoxy or whatever

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    Howzit grasshopper, Compremise and use glossing resin for the hotcoat. Back in the 80's i glassed some boards for Ambrose and he got the materials and he had me using gloss resin as hotcoats and it works, jsut my 2 cents.Aloha,Kokua

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Listen to everyone and try whatever you think is right for your needs.

 

It's a surfboard design forum, so there's plenty of legitimate opinions. There are all sorts on here, that's why it's generally interesting. Pros, amateurs, backyarders, part-timers-, old-timers, eccentrics, experts, hacks, artist's, ego's, pushers, pullers, the list goes on.

If doing what you are doing gets the job done, then good. Tell us all and we might try it.

If doing what someone else suggests works, then good. Tell everyone it works for you, and maybe others will try it.

If things aren't working out and you find out a few tips here on how to try and get it done, then good too.

 

I've worked at shops that swear by finish coats, and I've worked at shops that don't. Even ones that do the quick sand and spray.

 

Personally I try to laminate neat, coat neat, sand without weave, fine sand, rub on some sort of wax sealer, and then wax and surf.

 

Like I said, try what you think is logical for your needs, expectations and experience. Everything is not for everyone. We are surfboard builders, so we all think we know what is best for us. Doesn't mean it's right for everyone.

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greg are you assuming that people who finish coat cant sand a board without exposing weave?

look man, surfers are basically egotistical dicks eh! we are all guilty of it

shapers are step above that

now i can see it in myself. so its pretty easy to recognize it in others

alot that answer questions on swaylocks to newbies pretty much give bad advice. they want to say how they do it and why its so great, but dont u think that a begginer is gunna have a shit of a time laminating fusion plugs under glass. or be able to sand there first board without exposing weave

im not a flash or experinced builder but it doesnt take an einstien to figure out that you dont tell newbies production methods as the way to build surfboards.

i mean ffs why is there the big push for epoxy because goldcoast big guys were not finish coating and there boards were falling apart.im told this has changed tho due to exceptional qaulity comming out of china.

as soon as people start building decent qaulity polyester boards as then we will not see a big difference in the durability of either construction.

f$ckn hell i have new snapped DHD sitting in my shed. what a peice of sh!t, second rate foam. it snapped doing a top turn . they rekon that 200 grams weight is gunna allow joe showponie to turn pro

i do get some enjoyment watching a dumb grommet snap his dhd et al in 2 foot onshore. one less speedbump to worry about when its firing

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Geez! ( Australian for wtf )

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Silly, No, I never assume anything, and yeah, I'm an egotistical dick too, deep down inside.

Fuck, we're surfers aren't we, gods gift to creation, to women, to waves. Not only that, we make our own boards! Holy shit, that makes us all gods in our own right!  

 

But seriously, everyone has to admit some boards with finish coats are covering up sand-throughs. Hey, nothing wrong with that, hides good and bad work alike. Lets the sander go crazy and once it's covered nobody knows.

Helps pump them out if you do production, and beautifully covers the learning curve if you are not.

 

All good. It's just a surfboard.

 

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Well said, Silly.  Except for the grammer and puctuation.  And the part about PU blanks.  This is a garage builders forum, with great advice from some generous Pro’s.  Do the best you can do, but don’t get hung up on production techniques.  Some guys will catch on quick and turn out a pro product and maybe choose to make a living at it.  The rest of us are in a constant state of learning.

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silly i know you are a backyard guy (its plain to see in your work)
but you are the number one guy here giving bad advice.  i look around
on this site and folow some of the old threads but reading this one
made me actually join and say something.  you post 20 times a day about
all aspects of building and at the same time knock the quality shapers
and glass shops who have developed and evolved surfing and surfboards
to the level they are at now.  the frequency of your posts makes me
think that you spend more time thinking about surfboards and surfing
and checking out surf porn than actually building boards.  yet you
prance around this website giving “advice” like you were an industry
veteran.  i have no doubt you have developed a technique that works for
you and may well work for others but i have seen you tirade against
veterans and respected pros in a rant of import quality bullS**t versus
US/Austrailia production products.  maybe the reason you dont like the
“high performance” boards is because you cant push them to the level
they were ment to be riden at.  and if you really think that a
smurftech/BIC/7S ect is of better quality than a well made, domesticly
produced board from a reputable shaper made of quality materials than i
guess i have nothing else to say. 

 

if you level the
laps, baste/paste the lam BEFORE you hotcoat, then do a PROPPER hotcoat
you should not hit cloth bad enough to warant a new coat of resin
(maybe the corner/tip of the nose but thats it) then seal with an
acrylic sealer mentioned above you will have no problem (also this is assuming that you are useing the propper tools to sand your board).  if its your
first board and you want to have it forever than glass it heavy (more
glass) and gloss it but the strength that you are adding is coming
disproportionally from the glass, NOT the resin 

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my advice to all new builders is take what you read here with a grain of salt, there are some knowledgable people and great resources here but you have to sort them out from all the racket.  go to your local glass shop/shaper and see if they will let you watch them work for an hour.  ask some questions (dont be annoying) and learn what you can.  the best way to learn is from the masters (and practice).  good luck, have fun.