Save Cape Hatteras and Ocracoke

Hey guys I havent been on in a while so i dont know if this has been brought to your guys attention yet but some society in north carolina has filed a lawsuit to close 4wd access to the beaches of the Outer Banks of NC… IF this happens it would mean no surfing or fishing there… Heres a link to the facebook group that i was told about and also a link where you can sign a petition to prevent this from happening… -Cam

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12224039107&ref=mf (you have to login if you have an account to join the group…)

http://www.savehatterasandocracoke.com/

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Hey guys I havent been on in a while so i dont know if this has been brought to your guys attention yet but some society in north carolina has filed a lawsuit to close 4wd access to the beaches of the Outer Banks of NC… IF this happens it would mean no surfing or fishing there… Heres a link to the facebook group that i was told about and also a link where you can sign a petition to prevent this from happening… -Cam

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12224039107&ref=mf (you have to login if you have an account to join the group…)

http://www.savehatterasandocracoke.com/

I used to spend a fair amount of time walking over the dunes and sand to surf there. I’m curious as to how you think the beaches will be closed? Aren’t the proposed closures for unregulated off road vehicles? Since this is a National Park, don’t Federal laws come into play for protecting threatened or endangered species of plants, birds, and turtles?

i misunderstood it then… sory.

Having read some of the arguments, I can understand this is a hot issue. In reading some of the wildlife date I came across this that stuck with me. The contrast with birds and nesting turtles with trucks is striking.

 <div style="text-align:center">  </div>   <div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-weight:bold">Bird</span></div>  <div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-weight:bold">Population in 1995</span></div>  <div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-weight:bold">Population in 2007</span></div>  <div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-weight:bold">Percent decline</span></div>   

Gull billed tern

108
0
100%

Black Skimmer

454
0
100%

Common tern

739
18
97%

Least tern

464
194
58%

American Oystercatcher

41*
20-22 breeding pairs
49%

I just returned from hatteras last nite —the possible beach closeing will have major effects on the folks who live there. their whole economy is based upon visitor dollars. the closing of the bch to car traffic will crush the islanders. the national park service has had 27 YEARS to come up with a master plan to control access and interactions with wildlife, they have carefully done NOTHING…now it’s coming to a head…there was a HUge public meeting on the island last nite and a decision will be made…it’s interesting that other state and national seashore parks have systems in place but CapeHatterasNationalSeashore has none. Most of the problems have over the years been caused by people who drive out on the sand with no clue or just don’t give a dam…education and enforcement of the existing rules wouuld go a very long way to solve this thing…

you guys on the left coast have no real idea  of the scale and emotions of this issue has for surfers, fishermen, and the residents of the islands.  This is truly a BIG deal for all concerned

EP- those numbers are amazing… i wonder if it is because of all of the people that go there and if since the area is so pupular they are making more homes and thus taking away the natural bird habitats? just a though…

walrus- i had never thought about how it would effect the residents of the area… that is something that could truly ruin or change the peoples lives… it is unfortunate that this group is doing this.

this isssue is really a double edged sword. on one side you have the environment and wildlife. and on the other side you have the people who call obx home… so it is going to hurt someone/something either way… i think that the only real way to fix this so that you dont hurt both groups significantly is to tkae some of the land in the OBX and turn it into wildlife sanctuarys… that way the residents dont have their lives significantly altered and the animals have a ‘safe haven’… just my thoughts/ opinions…

will you still be able to park on the side of the road if they close the beach down for driving?

i’m not sure… i havent done a lot of research on it yet but i’ll get back to you on that within a few days… if you want you can go to the above link and search for yourself because it is a fairly detailed webpage. also, i think that they have a number that you can call.

IF a nest of an endangered species is noted , the area 1000ft around it will be marked off --no access of any kind walking, driving , swimming---- NOTHING for example; if a nest is in front of a beachfront home those folks can’t access the beach.

further example; the surf spot called “S Turns” where everyone parks on the side of the road and walks over the dune? CLOSED!

Actually 85% of the outer banks is already a wildlife refuge and no building and limited access only is allowed----the new rules are over and beyond the existing federal rules. each village was allowed an amount of land to expand into when the national seashore was set up back in the 50’s/60’s

I just saw that a decesion will be made in the next two weeks as to part or total closure for this summer…i guess it’ s time to make a few calls this week to my elected rep.

here’s a bunch of sites for further info: the whole thing is a mess to say the least;

www.savehatteras.com/CoastalndTimesArticleq.pdf

http://www.midgettrealty.com/BeachDriving.htm

: http://www.islandfreepress.org/Archives/2007.09.05-BeachDrivingCrisisAndHowWeGotHere.htm

your data is fake.There are thousands of Oystercatchers .This is about the Plover a bird that is not indgenous.What about the 7000lbs of Redfish illegally netted at New Inlet last week…

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your data is fake.There are thousands of Oystercatchers .This is about the Plover a bird that is not indgenous.What about the 7000lbs of Redfish illegally netted at New Inlet last week…

please explain what you mean here.

EP i must also question the source of the data----it refers to Black skimmers being Zero------yet last week walking on the frisco side of hatteras island i saw three working the shallows----and it’s early in the season for them to be there.

oystercatchers also , all over the place…

I realize this is an emotional issue, and how much is involved with people’s livelihoods. Also, being a proponent for wildlife protection, I sourced reliable data. I wouldn’t fake information like that. If you are interested in the ongoing studies they are not hard to find.

Maybe the NPS has dragged their heels on managing off road vehicles and access, but at least realize that self reliance hasn’t helped over that same period. Maybe I’m totally off base here, but I’ve heard it’s out of control on Memorial Day, with waiting lines on the ramps.

I really feel for the Outer Banks natives. There is a long history there.

http://www.southernenvironment.org/cases/hatteras/index.htm

Press Release

October 18, 2007

More info US Park Service faces suit for failing to manage beach driving on Cape Hatteras National Seashore Visitor experience and natural resources at risk without adequate plan Derb Carter SELC Attorney 919.967.1450 Jason Rylander Defenders of Wildlife 202.772.3245 Julie Youngman SELC Attorney 919.967.1450 Chris Canfield NC Audubon 919.929.3899

Raleigh– After years of failure to manage increasingly out of control driving on the beaches of the Cape Hatteras National Seashore, the U.S. Park Service now faces legal action. The Southern Environmental Law Center, representing Defenders of Wildlife and the National Audubon Society, filed suit today in U.S. District Court against the Park Service for its failure to adopt regulations to manage beach driving at Cape Hatteras National Seashore in ways that safeguard visitors and natural resources. In addition, the groups filed a notice of intent to sue over the Park Service’s failure to adequately protect federally endangered species.

“No one wants deny the rights of fishermen and families to enjoy beaches along the National Seashore, but our beaches are turning into highways. In the meantime, the Park Service has stood idly by, shirking its responsibility to institute simple rules and instead watching natural resources be destroyed and a once-responsible tradition spin out of control,” said SELC attorney Derb Carter.

The ability to drive on the beaches of Cape Hatteras is a long-standing tradition. In recent years, however, hundreds of cars per day can jam even the smallest sections of beach, putting people and wildlife at risk. Some estimates put over 2,000 cars per day on the beaches of the Seashore during peak season. A recent ruling by a federal judge called into question the legality of any beach driving while the Park Service fails to have in place adequate plans that have been mandated for more than three decades.

"With a reasonable plan in place, we can ensure that beach users and wildlife can coexist and that the natural resources of Cape Hatteras will be preserved for the next generation,” commented Defenders of Wildlife staff attorney Jason Rylander. “If we don’t take action now, nesting shorebirds and sea turtles could be at risk of disappearing from the Seashore entirely, as their habitat becomes more and more unsuitable. Without an adequate vehicle management plan, the beach could lose its appeal to families, fishermen, birdwatchers and others who appreciate the wildlife of the Seashore.”

The U.S. Park Service is charged with developing and implementing a plan to manage beach driving to protect and preserve the region’s natural resources. After dragging its feet for years, the Park Service is currently operating under an interim management plan that fails to adopt measures recommended by the U.S. government’s own scientist and that doesn’t’t adequately protect the area’s wildlife and visitors. In fact, the Superintendent of the Seashore recently admitted in a letter to the U.S. Attorney in Raleigh that the Park Service “has not met the long standing requirements” to manage vehicle use at the Seashore.

Cape Hatteras National Seashore is home to nesting shorebirds, such as the threatened piping plover, as well as threatened loggerhead turtles, and endangered leatherback turtles. Since 1999, several tern species have been all but eliminated at the seashore, along with black skimmers (see chart). Other sensitive species of birds have seen their numbers decline by almost one half. Furthermore, the number of nesting attempts by threatened sea turtles exceed the number of nests. Under the Park Service’s interim management plan, this year is expected to be another extremely poor one for nesting birds and turtles.

“We are merely asking the Park Service to protect the treasures that all of us in the public have entrusted to them,” said Chris Canfield, executive director of Audubon North Carolina. “Sadly, if the current approach at the Seashore continues, the very natural and recreational resources millions of visitors come to enjoy could be lost. Beach driving and natural resource protection are compatible, but only if a reasonable and science-based plan is in place and enforced.”

The suit filed today will challenge the Park Service’s failure to adopt regulations to manage beach driving, its failure to ensure preservation of natural resources and violation of the federal Endangered Species Act.

The Park Service has failed to develop a beach driving management plan for years despite the legal requirement to do so. In addition to federal regulation requiring such protection, in 1973, President Nixon ordered the U.S. Park Service to regulate beach driving to protect natural resources. Most recently, U.S. District Court Judge Terrence Boyle issued an order concluding driving on the Seashore illegal as the Park Service has failed to adopt beach driving regulations.

your data is not from the DMF .I have seen in one day over 200 skimmers(not 40 pairs).In season all turtrles and their grounds are watched and protected you definately do not live here and again the Plover is not native and they are being eaten by huge colonies of ferral cats and an imbalance of foxes not 4x4s’

If this image is representative of the amount of traffic, I’d want to restrict the car access especially if I was a local. I’d rather walk a mile or two than have my beach look like a parking lot.

regards,

Håvard

You are absolutely right; I’m not from the Outer Banks, but from the land of the Western Snowy Plover. Similarly implemented years ago to protect ground nesting birds in important nesting grounds and on federal land. I’m not big on the Bureaucratic system either, but feel that the bottom line is working with the Feds not against them.

What is your plan for vehicle regulation?

There is a bird study that I read yesterday that was down on Portsmith island, below Ocracoke, that had significantly larger nesting population. Correlations to vehicles and Humans were mentioned as well.

I think the fishing / surfing lobby is strong enough to have a voice in the process, but still believe that the bottom line will be to work with this. Where I live, the problems boil down to too many people. Similar issues were raised out on the Channel Islands National Park, offshore on the Santa Barbara Channel. Some of the Federal implications worked, and some had years of adjustment.

Good luck with the process!!

http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070620/NEWSREC0101/70619019/-1/NEWSREC0201

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-6141088_ITM

Effects of human recreation on the incubation behavior of American Oystercatchers.

Harvard,

The picture is of surf fisherman at Oregon Inlet,

not typical of the beaches.

Epac,

There is vehicle traffic on Portsmouth,

but the vehicles, mostly surf fish rigs,

are delivered by private ferry, $85 round trip last

time I went, but the surf fish crowd follows the rules,

stays on the “roads” and pretty effectively self polices

the driving out there.

But you are right, too many people.

Pete

my main point often said—enforcement of existing rules and education of the users would solve a lot of the problems. but THAT would involve the rangers getting out of their offices and trucks and talking to people—i’m not sure that is going to happen

BUT, that said—some folks are just plain idiots–and a ‘bit’ self centered…

Plover tastes like chicken,while you all are pissing and moaning comercial fisherman are breaking existing laws and stripping our sounds of Redfish and Stripers.These fish are the natives that we need to protect.That pic is not what our beaches look like.This is not Daytona.I do not own a 4x4 but I sure as hell will ride in one.Rangers are cops now not evironmentalists