SEIZE BP's ASSETS!

General Discussion
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So you’re backing away from your initial tilt of outright seizure of BP’s assets?

Should BP fail to pay legitimate restitution then by all means assets should be pursued and there are already laws for doing this.

Are those laws questionable?  No argument.  However until the people of this country - and that is the key, the people who by the foundational basis of this country are responsible for governance, not the other way around - engage and reassert control of the government instead of letting populist sentiment manage the SNAFU response de jure, this situation will be little better than an opportunity for the ambitious to grab yet more power and profit.

No way to sugar coat it - Outright seizure bypasses any established legal precedent in any place other than tyrannical regimes - I defy you or anyone else to offer up an example of a benevolent dictator for any group larger than your kids PTA and even then, rarely - which puts any advocate into crazy land and that’s a fact.

When the entire problem - a problem you alluded to above - is openly examined against history, then it looks pretty grim.  There is an ongoing steady decline towards a very ugly authoritarian environment and every time a rule is bent to satisfy the latest outcry we’re one step closer to something very shitty that people pretend can never happen here but which in fact is occurring daily.

If the goal is to make this and other situations right then seizure of assets before allowing those who made the mistakes - both in our government and BP - to correct their actions only satisfies emotion while making all of our lives worse.

People who contribute to populist rage are far more dangerous to us all than any oil spill if for no other reason than we’ll be left with an oil spill, dead bodies and no way to clean either up.

Oh, and tell me how many surf board builders get to practice their craft in oil poor dictatorial countries.

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BP will just do what PEMEX and the Mexicans did after the "77 Mexico spill;  claim sovreignity.  BP is British owned as I am sure you know.  Twenty billion dollars in the hands of the US Govt. is a ticket to corruption.  BP probably figures they need to stay on the good side of their candidate.   Do you think every dollar of that twenty billion will trickle down to the people who need it?   Here's a question though for the experts posting above:  How many rigs currently active in the Gulf are US leases?  I've heard a couple of #'s but was wondering if someone has a more accurate count?

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20 billion dollars already says they aren't claiming sovreignity. Pemex/Mexico didn't do a thing for the damage to the Texas Gulf Coast.

The sad part about the money is that you're right. Who is really going to get it? Those suffering from this disaster, or will it just line some pockets of gov't figureheads?

This will answer your question about drilling activity:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N04128424.htm

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Agreed.     Thanks for the link.

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If the goal is to make this and other situations right then seizure of assets before allowing those who made the mistakes - both in our government and BP - to correct their actions only satisfies emotion while making all of our lives worse.





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No one is suggesting that due process is not followed.   I'm not one for government unilaterally acting with  seizure of assets with trumped up charges.  We have that with our riduclous drug war now and with governmental action to take land and allow developers use it for profit.   The bottom line is as I have said above...those with the most have already centralized control and they will one day use it.    It's not radial populism to see this.  If folks are afraid of a little less ease of living and afraid to fight for what they have they deserve their fate.  BP needs to fix their problem and if they don't, action needs to be taken against them that will force them to.  We have frozen assets before and we can freeze them now.  Legally.  As the result of an emergency.   Freezing put's a fire under their rumps.  I seriously doubt we will see it though.  Banks and run their companies into the ground and get bailed out with bonuses still intact while the rest of us suffer through the bad economy their globalistic industralism has caused.

 

BTW: Benevolent dictators of sorts have existed: Pax Romana and there were a series of leaders in Rome that gave the world at that time one of the longest, and happy lives in the history of the world at that time.  Not that every single person enjoyed it...during our most productive times not all of our own people enjoyed freedoms either. My point is there have been examples...though I certainly wouldn't trust many in our money worshipping world today with that type of power.  We have a huge under class in our country which we tell everyone is the envy of the world.

 

Answer me this: How would your life be worse if our government froze BP's assets?  Our last leader took more of our privacy, attempted to legitimize torture and being held without a hearing or even being formally charged and entering us into wars for money and influence.   Short of an outright revolution...how much worse can it get and how much closer to a ruling ologarchy could we possibly be.

 

My personal opinion: They will not have it capped for six months to a year.  

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Seize and freeze are different in very different ways.  Yogi Bearra would enjoy that one Boo Boo.

I’m far from being a pie in the sky idealist, quite the opposite really.

That being said, in answer to your question, How would my life be worse if our government froze BP’s assets?

Freezing BP’s assets would make it more likely that many of the people who’ve already frozen and seized my assets would be allowed to remain in a position to do so again to myself and others.

Somewhat quick story:

I’m not the most tactful, personable or intelligent individual - I know, right?

Having had very lucrative IT work for years, I figuratively shat my own bed work-wise and got backed into a corner.  If I was going to continue in IT I’d have to travel.  All well and fine except for two young kids and a demonstrably nasty ex who hauled me into court every year to have support for the kids “adjusted”.  So I pissed away a great IT job, my bad.

Meanwhile… the IRS and I were of differing opinions on “my fair share”.

Between seemingly supporting everybody but myself with legal, accounting and other penalties/fees plus interest that brought the situation to a losing tie, funds were sliding and oh by the way, the ex who routinely had “the kids” (who incidentally I took care of most of the time - go figure)  cut upped non stop didn’t have any interest in reviewing finances once the tide turned.

Settlement.

After many freezes and seizures.

Fast forward to the new wife and I with plenty of real estate investment.  We purchased historical homes, renovated them and put grown kids in them for among other reasons, school.

Would you like to discuss the part our government has played in real estate?  Short story, remember?  Throw in this little tidbit: the IRS has flat not acknowledged processing our 2006 return which incidentally had them owing us quite a bit of money.  Any ideal how that can snowball?  Now couple real estate with the date 2006.  The situation is so bad that the IRS itself has put us into the Tax Payer advocacy program - second time by the way - and has sought arbitration and settlement.

Now I’m not sure how much you know about local, state and federal tax services but they’re about like being married to the ex: Anything you do wrong is your fault.  Anything they do wrong is your fault.  That all flows out to others.  I’ve got people who bought boards from me for years that won’t talk to me now over a couple orders that I’m still trying to make right after having everything - bank accounts, homes, etc… literally taken from us.

We’re anything but rich but both the wife and I are very well educated in academic and pragmatic disciplines.  Court, show investigations, public castigation, account freezes, asset seizures…

If this crap is happening to people on our level, then the situation is much worse than American Idol would indicate.

And so being someone incredibly fortunate who’s just barely able to continue to live near the ocean while he rebuilds his life and home (replaced the washing machine last night which ate out the solar panel budget for another month - washing clothes by hand sucks) just in time for stupid shit like this to go down, I’m all about trying to make my family, friends, community and self whole in the right way every day.

You asked.

Off to build boards.

Later.

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June 19, 2010 

(Insert your representatives here)

Dear Mr. President and Honorable members of the United States Congress:

We, the undersigned, demand that you take the following actions immediately:

1- Remove British Petroleum (all of its officers and executives) from control of and participation in the response to the current oil disaster at the Deepwater Horizon Well. (Their actions to date have been a travesty: blocking media access; lying; ineptness; criminal negligence, etc)

2- That you order discontinuation of all chemical dispersants immediately. (They are toxic and causing more harm and killing marine life and driving the oil deeper where it can not be recovered)

3- Deploy all available Supertankers to the spill region to begin skimming operations. (Which has been shown to be 85% effective in recapture of oil from ocean waters in spills of this magnitude).

4- Employ any and all means to stop the flow of oil from the damaged well in the most expeditious means possible even if that means detonation and destruction of the well.

5- Indict and prosecute the representatives and executives from BP, Haliburton, and Transocean responsible for this disaster and the negligent response to it.

6- Seize all BP assets in North America and hold them collateral until full restitution is made for the destruction caused by this disaster.

BP owes for it all!!!

There is even a website that automates this process for a fee....  of course this naively assumes that 'our' representatives actually work for us.  LOL.

Another website explores the reality... http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=E01

Anyway, if you want to give it a try, here's the sort of thing you will receive from "Rallycongress.com" along with the form letter posted above.

 

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my frien  of alaska said

"there is a place in norway in some Fiord where there are sumpthin’ like 8oo super tankers

mothballed just sittin."

how bout somebody say"FFree oil for the TTakin’ "

watch the scurry to clean up and take the oil to a refinery

where’e the Glo mar explorer?

what would Howard huges do in a situation like this?

nobody has even said RED ADAIR MAYBE CAUSE HE DIED IN 2004.

 

we just need a super hero 

or a super fairy

dont send a bunch o’ keystone cops

or a federally mandated review board.

JUST FIX IT.

enough talk from extra national exploiters,

Cummon where the pluck is Yanqui ingenuity?

was it outsourced?

 

 

 

I can easily visualize a twelve foot tall navy seal

glistening in a starfilter

at dawn with th back light and steam rising off his/or her shoulders

with a giant pipe fitting and a close tolerance spigot

what the pluck already?

 

…ambrose…

 

make BP eat a pelican.

 

I always thought B.P.s were

tourists gettin’ off a bus

at an overlook…pullin’

their underwear out

of their crack…

butt pickers.

 

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I’ve heard several times that running a petrol engine car on water (hydrogen) is not that difficult to do. Be the change you want to see in the world as they say…

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    Howzit Ambrose, The super star you re talking about is Kevin Costner and his oil cleaning device he has had for years and BP has contacted him about using it. There was an article on Yahoo about it and it sounds interesting but I like the tanker idea also. Did you get my message about FCS and get in touch with Delaney.Aloha,Kokua

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Can anyone explain why our Government refused thirteen different offers of help from countries with oil skimming technoligy?

Why does it appear that they (Democrats) are now using this disaster to further the Fraud known as Carbon credit trading, Vat taxes, energy taxes and a move to nationalize oil?

 

Sorry folks years from now it will come out this was allowed or done on purpose to further an agenda period end of story.

Oh and BP has made huge inroads into the “Green energy movement” so for them it’s win win.

Drive oil prices up and push everyone into the green energy game which they have made massive investment into.

All BP has to do is change their name and management YET again and they are no longer hjeld accountable.

 

Like it or not damn near everything you touch has Oil built into it including the keyboard you’re now touching.

 

The US government needs to get it’s money grubbing hands off private industry.

At what point will the govenments of the world decide th surfboard industry needs to be seized for all the toxic gases and pollutants you spew into the air?

Don’t laugh they did it to grubby they CAN do it to “insert name of shaper and Glasser” or you.

 

BP and the government should do everything in their power to clean up and skim off the oil.\

They should in no way set a Nuke off to close the gusher.

The problem has been compounded by the fact BP over pressureized the oil pocket with salt water creating fissures that are now leaking up to ten miles away.

 

I look at a variety of sources even some I considered conspiracy theory bat shit crazy and after almost ten years of denying it the conspiracy theorists have been more RIGHT then wrong.

 

 

In this special video report for Prison Planet.tv members, Paul
Joseph Watson analyzes the evidence for both criminal negligence and
deliberate sabotage of the BP oil well and explores who is benefiting
from the oil spill, both financially and politically.

Given the multitude of alarming examples of foreknowledge,
motivation for sabotage, and clear evidence of deliberate malfeasance
and negligence, state authorities in Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi
need to immediately launch a mammoth criminal investigation into the
role of BP, Halliburton and the federal government in causing the oil
spill disaster, as well as their continuing cover-up of the true nature
of the crisis, in addition to their efforts to block local authorities
as well as foreign companies from helping to both stop the oil leak
and clean up the devastation it has caused.

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I won't comment on conspiracies, but I agree that the government should have already sent out any and all oil spill responders available. Top priorities should be cleaning up the mess, minimizing environmental damage, and getting people's lives back on track. We know who should (and hopefully will) pick up the tab, but using only their resources to get the job done means that it will take that much longer.

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The truth is the US government needs BP, Haliburton and Trans Ocean now more than ever.  Demonizing them and threatening them is totally counterproductive.  We have a president who is a total amateur and is only using his photo-ops with the BP chairman for his own political benefit.  The government can't fix this one folks and no amount of threats against BP or political photo-ops by the president will get the job done either.

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Vote with your money! Don’t get your petrol from a BP petrol station!!

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Ron Paul had some interesting comments to make on this oil spill in that the more the government gets involved in the clean up, the more bureaucracy that gets in the way.

This clean up needs to be BP’s problem, not the governments as government intervention can equal oodles of tax payer money and nothing gets done. Next question is who decides BP’s total liability? The government? Wouldn’t surprise me if this would amount to the same thing as making BP answerable to itself. 

Too much bureaucracy equals not enough accountabilty as well as the public being dictated to. In other words, what a fucking surprise…

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    Howzit benr, It is because of he Jones act or law not sure which but it has to do with foreign shipping companies in US waters. If they would get rid of it international and national shipping rates would also be lower because of competition. To give you an example of it being so stupid when ocean liners from other countries are doing cruises in Hawaii they have t go to some foreign port before they can finish their hawaii cruise. It is one of the stupidest acts there is and the new rep who replaed Abocrombie just a couple of weeks ago ha been pushing to at least temporarly stop it just so those other countries can come and help us. Sometimes ourGovernment just doesn't have it's head on straight.Aloha,Kokua

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F*** BP, Trans Ocean and Haliburton.   Calling the prez a total amateur doesn’t help either, but the rabid still do.  You don’t get much more of a dupe than W Bush.   I’m not in love of Obama or big government either.  but big business is destroying this country for all but a few.  I see they defeated the bill that would have allowed some of those on unemployment to have it extended. Good job…bail out the scum…screw the folk affected by them and their ways.

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Survival of the unfittest…

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seize BP?

once seized bp would be us.

then we would be the arch nemisis.

need a bad guy? Yes we do.

to rally our heads together

we must have a rallying point

and a personification…

 

in magic they talk of misdirection

oil on the top of everything is just such

a misdirection. The real oH NO!!!

is the disappearing water,i.e.

if the poles are melting how come my little house isn’ under water down by the beach?

it is because the oil speculators are forcing oil out of wells by injecting water into the voids 

where the oil is no longer there bymaking the lighter than water type oil stuff come out real good!

ain’t that just so efficient? and ingenius and like how come I dint thimk of that…

but wait ocean like salt water as a finite quantity is less after you pump some away away away

but hey man whats a little salt water? we got plenty! and more where that came from!

until you think hey everybody wants a car …   in china …  austria,bangcock,lillehammer,new brunswick,

Pretoria,Johannesburg,shrievesport,cornwall, abbu dabi,birkenhead,janeau,great falls ,each and every kid 

graduating from highschool wants to drive some place or ride a plane or take a boat trip and pretty soon 

you have a shrinking ocean … Alf got quiet … the 2/3 water planet? low tide is getting lower  …how much for the ocean

per gallon? we are paying straight accross gallon for gallon in some cases for oil … aint none of these Giant money makers

coming across for the price of the water … which is indeed an easy !/2 of our atmosphere … call me nuts I wish I was wrong

but I think we’re gettin’ screwed again

and it’s too late to close the gate to the breeding pen

they aint fixin’nuthin quick for a reason

because w simply haven’t caught on yet

to what’s really happening to this delicate biosphere

plastic in the ocean ,oil on the shore?

simply nothin’ compared to

they ain’t  no ocean no more,

 

…ambrose…

 

nothing up my sleeve

alakazam the ocean is gone

and the rivers and the lakes

and the glaciers  …

seize B.P.  hyyuck  hyuckk

hey mcikey have you seen clara?

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http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/27/day-68-why-isnt-the-a-whale-in-the-gulf-yet/

The A-Whale bills itself as the largest open-water oil skimmer in the world, and it’s at least very impressive.  Originally an oil and ore tanker, the ship’s owners recently refitted the ship to do exactly the kind of work that the US so desperately needs in the Gulf of Mexico, and to do it on a vastly larger scale than current operations can handle.  According to the ship’s project manager, the entire American effort in 66 days has skimmed off 600,000 barrels of oil.  The ship’s owners claim that A-Whale can skim 500,000 barrels a day.

So where is the A-Whale now?  In the Gulf?  Not yet.  It’s on its way there after being tied to a dock in Norfolk, Virginia, and won’t be allowed to join the cleanup effort until the Coast Guard and the EPA figure out whether it meets their standards