Plotter print out from Illustrator on craft paper roll…
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…hello Surffoils, Im surprised about it; I mean, all those techs threads of you with large sentences about complicated designs, etc and you don t have the time to do a basic template.
Make a template IS very part of the process to be a shaper; understand it. Know what s going on, know the why s and what not.
why copy those templates? why not understand them?.
Seems like too much theory and nothing of practice.
May be too much free time or too much time in the virtual world
Do you really surf? or are you a recreative surfer?
Do you really can surf a performance board? asking these due all the tech blah bling in past threads.
If someone don t even know how to properly ride a modern surfboard how he talk and talk and talk about changing this and that and searching for the ultimate material, etc…I really surprised, man
please do not take this as an offence but now Im wondering about several threads on Swaylocks…
Hi surfding,have you tried using a good circular saw(makita!) to cut your masonite templates?I lay my masonite on top of a sheet of plywood and saw benches for the cut table,it keeps the masonite from bending of course while cutting.I set the depth for the blade about 1/8" deeper than the masonite.The faster you cut the smoother the curves too,there is little to no work for fairing the curves.I hear of people using jigsaws to cut templates and just CRINGE at the thought.hahaha!
No doubt!Should we be taking the advice of people who can’t even spell?
The craft paper trick is awesome. Thanks for that, Atomized.
Not sure what’s up with the hostility towards Surffoils, but I hope it goes away soon. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, the template is really a very small component contributing to the overall performance of the board. Let’s not get carried away.
…yeah wonder if you can read 3 languages and understand a bit of 2 more…
yea well my dad can kick your dads ass!
reverb is posting in a second language, so his grammar and spelling in English aren't always perfect. His surfboards, however, are impeccable.
surfoils, since you physically have the boards, you should take/make the templates right off those boards. Doing it off of photos will get you a general idea of the curve, but there's always some distortion. It's not very accurate. Trace each outline onto masonite, cut it, fair it, reference against actual board to finalize, etc. Then you can trace onto paper, scan it, zip plastic templates right off the masonite, whatever you want. The ethics of sharing someone else's work is something you'll have to work out for yourself. Asking permission (as suggested by surfding) might be a good idea.
jesus, if you're good with a circular saw it's a great way to cut masonite. If you're good with a jigsaw it's no problem doing it that way. Either way I'd be fairing with electric planer after saw cut. Planer doesn't lie.
Jesus:
I’ve cut templates with a Hand saw, Router, Jig Saw, Circular Saw and trued them up with an electric planner.
However with a bandsaw and a guitar sander it’s faster and cleaner.
I hear of people using jigsaws to cut templates and just CRINGE at the thought.hahaha!
Some guys do it however if you have a bandsaw use it.****
Kind regards,
**surfding
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What's a guitar sander?
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Ive got some , well 50 or so boards from the 70s and 80s, and Id like to make templates from them for anyone to use.
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The templates were not for me, I was attempting to share something.
I wanted to know how to copy and send a template because Ive never done it before, like a lot of us I always make my own.
And as for the ethics of copying a template off a board, I think copying a template is the same as copying thickesss or rocker or fin placement.
Would it be a lesser wrong if I just shared the template numbers instead of the physical curve ? I think we've all followed someones dimension numbers.
I apologise that I didnt make it clearer why I wanted to replicate templates. Regards to all.
G0512 Edge Sander w/ Wrap-Around Table available from GRIZZLY:
I call it a Guitar Sander because many guitar factories use the same one like the GIBSON LES PAUL I seen made on one. I bought one for making rocker template and rocker sticks when I was making EPS and XPS surfboard blanks. Great tool for many things.
Kind regards,
surfding
Surffoils I’m sure your intent was sincere. Normally when a board is copied the outline template does come first. With a following sequence of:
Deck Rocker
Bottom Rocker
Rail Slices
Rail Profile
Fin Set-Up and Placement
When doing a complete replication with duplication intended then permission should be requested of the know shaper if still alive. Royalties should be agreed by all parties involved. In light of the likely hood that a perfect copy would be made by the cast of board builders where on this site is probably highly unlikely so maybe more is being read into it than warranted?
No hard feeling.
Kind regards,
surfding
Please excuse my internet sarcasm,my posts were meant to be humorous jabs.(hahaha!)
Thanks Surfding… I’m drooling… Got’a love a thread with ‘tool-porn’.
Aha, that would make for a dead square template!.
if ya gota copy ya cant shape? ferk off and get a job mowing lawns
cheers huie
Ding that’s why some of us are just hacks not pros, we’re trying to get by without having all the right stuff.
I don’t even have a proper place to shape or glass, but I’m making boards for myself. If I had the proper shop with the right tools, I wouldn’t be working an 8 to 5 corporate job. Heck, I can surf way better when I ride a board made from a master shaper/glasser, but I can make 4 boards for the price of one shop board, and I’m frugal. And having less time to hit the surf I ain’t surfing cutting edge anyway.
The upside is that in few more years, and I can retire and then look at this “hobby” from a different perspective. Maybe even think about making boards to sell… nah, just ride um. Too many really good board makers out there.
sharkcountry we are all here for different reasons.
It’s cool to make things with minimal resources if that’s all you have. If your gluing piece of paper together and have the available time that’s fine.
My statements are sometimes harsh and insensitive at times. I too have a corporate job as you do. I just buy tools with my spoils and do things on the extreme side of life. You never know when you will die.
By the way in Tahiti the sharks are everywhere! They bite at your Tuna while your reeling them in!
Kind regards,
surfding
No offense taken in your post, I hope mine didn’t come out seeming that I was offended.
I usually print to 11 x 17 paper because I’m too cheap to go to Kinkos and get a large print. I do get envious of those who are willing to spend the bucks for the right tools. My dad was that way. Tools and jigs were a big deal.
I’m just having fun, and being frugal. I wish I had a wife that wouldn’t get mad at me for spending thousands of dollars on tools, but we have more important things to spend money on. Luckily my brother has an even higher paying corporate job, no wife, no mortgage or kids going to private school and college. He buys toys and tools like like I buy lunch, so I go over there and use his stuff whenever I can. Plus he has all of my dad’s tools, and he won’t let me take them. Hopefully things will work out they way I planned and I’ll be free from the 8 to 5 and just be eating tons of Honey DO!! between surf sessions and playing in my man cave.
I’ll bet you guys had a great time on vacation. How did you like the go pro? I’m not a fan. Great for those that want to get shots of themselves, or if you can ride right behind or in front of someone. I bought the head strap and wore the camera on my head. It worked out OK, but I prefer a camera with a viewer of some sort to see what I’m shooting, and then play back later.
Laird Hamilton paddled over to me and tells me 3 of his friends lost their camera because it doesn’t float. I was told about that before I went on my trip, so I made sure I always had a good grip on it.
The sharks will bite your fish here too if they can, same for Barracuda, and Ulua. Big fish eat small fish, you catch an Ulua and the only bigger fish is going to be a shark. One time my dad and uncles were fishing off the north side of Molokai, and my uncle fell over the back of the boat. They had to throw him a line and fish him out, but he was a big man so it took a bit of work to get him back on. Soon after they got him up a good sized shark popped up right behind the boat. They said they pretty much got him on board just in time. God bless my dad and uncles, they’re all having a great time in the ever after.
Back to the templates… I have a tail template that I really like, and taking my queue from KS, have been using that for a lot of my tails then I just take another template and matching it up for the nose. All are 1/8" masonite. I think it makes sense to use the tail of a board you are really happy with then change up the middle and front. For the paper stuff, I’ll tape it up then cut it out of cardboard because it’s so easy to cut cardboard with shears. Those are usually one offs, and may not turnout to be something I’d transfer to masonite. I have about 4 or 5 masonite templates that I mix and match to get the outlines I want, and 3 or 4 rockers based on the board’s length. That pretty much covers the boards I make. We also have drawn out the outlines of many of our favorite boards so my brother has at least a dozen full length templates. Some of mine are spin templates or half the board on one side and the other half on the other side with marks for the center line.